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{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:16|1=MSL925 the fox|2=Have been considering doing some form of discussion around making this a "Rips featuring" category, since think every Maki Nishikino's Birthday has least one rip that references this meme by Triple-Q, especially 2021.

Not to mention the fact that there are quite a few Sonic 3 Knuckles theme rips that are with Maki songs, there is an inverse pair for Daring!! and Unknown from ME, or the countless other Knuckles related songs with Maki as the joke.

I also feel a category such as this could be needed since we do exclude such rips from the rips referencing Triple-Q category, so why not just give them their own category instead?

Overall, Maki is Knuckles is one meme that I have seen been used over the years and hasn't really gone away, especially since it does come up in relation to either of the two characters in related events. [[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]]}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:17|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=oh yeah never finished my full response to these types of categories existing}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:17|1=MSL925 the fox|2=Oh what your thoughts on these kinds of categories?}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:18|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=<s>[[File:Voting-oppose.svg|20px|link=]] i'll finish it later</s>}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:18|1=CorbCreates|2=lol ok}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:19|1=CorbCreates|2=I am not gonna sort out all my opinions just yet for me to vote but I will say that most of the maki birthday events involved knuckles in various ways}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:19|1=MSL925 the fox|2=honestly i do find it bit odd that we mention the meme in Triple-q's referencing category, much like for Baneposting and Todokete}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:19|1=MSL925 the fox|2=yet like it doesn't link to anything or really least like have place to keep note of it all}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:21|1=MSL925 the fox|2=that's another thing really, why isn't Maki is knuckles meme on the triple q references category?}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:21|1=MSL925 the fox|2=i know that its more of something he started}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:22|1=Eden342|2=<s>[[File:Voting-oppose.svg|20px|link=]] Personally see this as unnecessary, "Aishiteru Banzai!" and "Unknown from M.E." both have meme pages that both bring up this combination.</s>}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:25|1=MSL925 the fox|2=let me make a playlist to see how many rips fall under this}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:27|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=i cant really vote on this i think this sort of gag is too subtle for its own page}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:36|1=MSL925 the fox|2=https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXaYWi67CegtRLJZ8J72LXViUG800KSYO}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:36|1=MSL925 the fox|2=Alright so there's 30}}
{{DiscordLog2|class=ping reply|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=i cant really vote on this i think this sort of gag is too subtle for its own page}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:38|1=MSL925 the fox|2=yeah it certainly is subtle}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:38|1=MSL925 the fox|2=even 30 was higher than i thought}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:44|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=like its a running gag that is very much a tradition on the channel, but it feels like one of those crossover episodes between two memes that happen a few times a year or so}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:45|1=TurretBot|2=goblin dance}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:45|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=these two characters/memes have their own seperate trends they just}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:45|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=hmmmmmmmmmm}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:45|1=TurretBot|2=you missed unknown from me 20th anniversary edition}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:45|1=TurretBot|2=in that playlist}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:46|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=ok now that im like writing this out loud this does feel like a meme i just dont know if its worth voting for when you can just document this on both unknown from m.e. and aishiteru banzai}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:46|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=as like a note}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:46|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=idk}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:46|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=also someone turned off slow mode}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:46|1=CorbCreates|2=you can turn it back on manually}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:46|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=whats it meant to be set to}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:47|1=Eden342|2=slow mode era is officially over..}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:47|1=CorbCreates|2=30s}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:47|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=fixed :)}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:47|1=Eden342|2=FUCK}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:47|1=CorbCreates|2=you ''can'' change it back eden}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:47|1=TurretBot|2=i will :Support: for now, although i could change if i figure out that its actually a reference joke}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:49|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=im just gonna pass on voting for now this one's odd}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:50|1=GargameNga2025|2=isnt it a reference to a triple q mashup or does this start on siiva}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:50|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=triple q made the joke first i think???}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:51|1=MSL925 the fox|2=yeah}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:51|1=MSL925 the fox|2=the first rip featuring the joke was made by him}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:52|1=MSL925 the fox|2=and was made for Maki's birthday in 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsfSY3XpNdo}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:52|1=GargameNga2025|2=but the association starts on siiva right}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:52|1=MSL925 the fox|2=honestly we may never know when Triple-q first made this a meme}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:52|1=MSL925 the fox|2=since it could've been on his now deleted twitter account}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:54|1=GargameNga2025|2=idk its kinda weird  the reason i was fine with athletic doctor and wii shop bling is mostly cuz theyre references to outside of siiva mashups im not rly sure how to feel abt this}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:54|1=GargameNga2025|2=i kinda wanna oppose it cuz i hate it with my whole heart but it might be valid   ill wait for micks argument tho lol}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:55|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=ok so yea it was uploaded on siiva first then onto triple q's youtube months later}}
{{DiscordLog2|class=ping reply|1=GargameNga2025|2=i kinda wanna oppose it cuz i hate it with my whole heart but it might be valid   ill wait for micks argument tho lol}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:55|1=Brunocoolgamers|2=why do you even hate it so much}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:55|1=GargameNga2025|2=offtopic reasons}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:55|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=i mean im kinda indifferent to love live cuz ive never watched it but the music is cool}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:57|1=GargameNga2025|2=is it mentioned on the love live page}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:57|1=MSL925 the fox|2=nope}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:58|1=GargameNga2025|2=its kinda crazy when every aspect of this is already a meme}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 05:04|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=should note: in the 7th anniversary gallery aishiteru banzai and unknown from me are referenced by using the character pairing}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 06:51|1=Samanthamk|2=i feel like i’m inclined to [[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]]. As subtle as it is i think it is indeed notable. I think the category could work similarly to the sans is ness category}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 06:54|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=This is very equivalent to sans is ness just more niche}}
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 09:33|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=it's easier to quickly explain why I dislike this specifically being titled a "meme" than attempting to dismantle the concept of reference jokes consistently.

Ignore the rip count, as you have done already for Q as a whole. "Maki is Knuckles" as an ''article'' would not have enough content to truly explain.
# "Triple-Q has pointed out in the past that Maki and Knuckles have a handful of attributes in common" [already on the first article. expand (if possible) with whatever tweet archives you can find.]
# Explain how the first few rips point this out [already on those articles]
# images. art collab, art collab, piano rectangle. [can both be placed on the Unknown from M.E. and Aishiteru articles]

Remember, Sans is Ness has a stronger point behind it. The game theory video is being actively mocked, rather than only calling back to a joke combination without depth stronger than two characters just appearing next to each other. The Maki combination even seems like it's directly riffing off of this concept, MAKI Mix was released two months after the game theory video.

What ''can'' be scrapped of this can be implemented independent of meme discussion:
* [[Maki is Knuckles]] can exist as a redirect to [[Triple-Q#Maki_is_Knuckles]] (this would be under "References in rips")
* A Rips Referencing category is created for the rips MSL has compiled, as the intersection ''is'' valuable for sorting purposes.
* This category is linked to from this subsection, and on Aishiteru Banzai and Unknown from M.E.
* ''On that note, add bane and snow halation as subcategories of Q references if we're trying to be consistent.''

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{{DiscordLog2|class=ping reply|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=it's easier to quickly explain why I dislike this specifically being titled a "meme" than attempting to dismantle the concept of reference jokes consistently.

Ignore the rip count, as you have done already for Q as a whole. "Maki is Knuckles" as an ''article'' would not have enough content to truly explain.
# "Triple-Q has pointed out in the past that Maki and Knuckles have a handful of attributes in common" [already on the first article. expand (if possible) with whatever tweet archives you can find.]
# Explain how the first few rips point this out [already on those articles]
# images. art collab, art collab, piano rectangle. [can both be placed on the Unknown from M.E. and Aishiteru articles]

Remember, Sans is Ness has a stronger point behind it. The game theory video is being actively mocked, rather than only calling back to a joke combination without depth stronger than two characters just appearing next to each other. The Maki combination even seems like it's directly riffing off of this concept, MAKI Mix was released two months after the game theory video.

What ''can'' be scrapped of this can be implemented independent of meme discussion:
* [[Maki is Knuckles]] can exist as a redirect to [[Triple-Q#Maki_is_Knuckles]] (this would be under "References in rips")
* A Rips Referencing category is created for the rips MSL has compiled, as the intersection ''is'' valuable for sorting purposes.
* This category is linked to from this subsection, and on Aishiteru Banzai and Unknown from M.E.
* ''On that note, add bane and snow halation as subcategories of Q references if we're trying to be consistent.''

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{{DiscordLog2|t= 15:16|1=TurretBot|2=An article which does the things you think a Maki is Knuckles article should do, explaining connections between the characters and how it is represented in rips, along with holding the gallery, seems like a good article to me? I don't understand why you think Maki is Knuckles is inherently "lesser"?

Aishiteru Banzai! [divorced from its role in Maki is Knuckles] is just numbers. There is nothing to explain at all.

Unknown from M.E.'s article is very wordy for no apparent reason, but it's obviously fluffy. Paragraph about its various first uses in different contexts only to admit that none of its uses prior to "Unknown from M.E. (OST Version) - Sonic Adventure" are notable, paragraph about subsequent rips of the track that attribute it to the OST Version's popularity despite not really having any connection, paragraph noting that the track is similar to the DK Rap in the channel context but not as memetic and how other Knuckles joke are more memetic. And finally the Maki is Knuckles sentence that was just tacked on without considering the flow of the article. A fluffy article for a barely relevant even at its prime recurring source is probably fine but still. My personal analysis of Unknown from ME's usage is that this is at it MAY be a minor 2016 meme but it is hard to really extract anything because it gets a lot of strays due to being a popular song from a popular franchise and a convenient way to reference other memes like "oh no", Maki is Knuckles, & Knuckles, etc. (shock of all shock, it is the main theme of Knuckles) (No Patrick, we don't need a Knuckles mutlisource.)}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 17:38|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=having an article for this intersection would nullify a lot of the purpose aishiteru banzai's page has. perhaps put the brunt of the maki is knuckles stuff onto that page instead, so the content can be beefed up further (also the 6 events, don't forget that).

"why only that article?" while unknown from m.e. has the sentence mixing joke to fall back on, love live is clearly the more niche thing here, it's why the juxtaposition works. triple-q watches anime, the anime is attatched to a more mainstream video game character, the combination joke goes onto the weaker one's article to explain the importance of love live on the channel further.}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:22|1=TurretBot|2=turning the ashiteru banzai page into the stealth maki is knuckles page instead of just giving it its own page}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:23|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=y not}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:24|1=TurretBot|2=that seems rather arbitrary}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:26|1=TurretBot|2=the only possible motivation i can think of for why this would be a better idea than just making the maki is knuckles page is that ashiteru banzai is a legally required freqrip page that cannot be merged into love live as a meme due to the magolore paradox}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:39|1=TurretBot|2=but that's just politics}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 01:02|1=GargameNga2025|2=[[File:Voting-oppose.svg|20px|link=]] per michael}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 01:24|1=Stump-7|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] sure, seems like it works}}
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 16:03|1=MSL925 the fox|2=So far
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{{DiscordLog2|class=ping reply|1=MSL925 the fox|2=So far
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:31|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=that's 3 opposes}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:34|1=Heboyi|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] per the turretbot}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:38|1=Brunocoolgamers|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]]  i agree with turrebot also}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:39|1=MSL925 the fox|2=Alright now that’s 6 [[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]]}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:43|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=oy}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:43|1=Eden342|2=wow}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:45|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=i'll write the proper reasoning soon.}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 19:32|1=ChickenSuitGuy|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] what torrent said}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 22:20|1=Navag8r|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] yeah sure the idea has grown on me}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 22:22|1=MSL925 the fox|2=So far
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 22:38|1=Spottygamester|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] I've always felt its pretty notable.}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 22:39|1=Eden342|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] i changed my mind}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 00:37|1=MSL925 the fox|2=do have a question in regards to what rips would be counted?}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 00:37|1=MSL925 the fox|2=more so asking regards to rips like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmi2aNVkOjQ

where no maki jokes yet was uploaded on her birthday}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 00:37|1=MSL925 the fox|2=(actually think its the only one)}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 00:58|1=ThisGreenDingo|2=I think there is a notable implicit reference here yea}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 01:23|1=Notascryptic|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]]  i've seen this be mentioned enough for me to consider it a meme}}
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:16|1=MSL925 the fox|2=[APPROVED] Proposal for Maki is Knuckles to be a meme.}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:16|1=CorbCreates|2=too early}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:16|1=CorbCreates|2=its 1 week}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:16|1=MSL925 the fox|2=Proposal for Maki is Knuckles to be a meme.}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:16|1=MSL925 the fox|2=i apologize}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:17|1=CorbCreates|2=its ok 👍}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:17|1=MSL925 the fox|2=honestly didnt even mean to rush, just saw that the discussion sort of went down}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:18|1=CorbCreates|2=yeah its fine, its just that the 1 week uptime is a requirement}}
{{DiscordLog2|class=ping reply|1=MSL925 the fox|2=honestly didnt even mean to rush, just saw that the discussion sort of went down}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:21|1=Mick the Squirrel|2=you could always make it a Rips Referencing category divorced of a page if you want to get it done faster}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 18:46|1=MSL925 the fox|2=mmm im in no rush}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 01:51|1=E for Affort|2=Anyways [[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]]}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 04:49|1=Gremmyblam63|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] I like Turrets point}}
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 13:38|1=Arthur10123|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] sure, per Turret}}
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 02:22|1=Super10ZX|2=[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] Been a thing on the channel since year 1 and has never really went away}}
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{{DiscordLog2|t= 03:06|1=Samanthamk|2=somebody forgor to close}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 03:07|1=Eden342|2=give me a moment i was writing something else}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 03:10|1=Eden342|2=Final Tally
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[[File:Voting-support.svg|20px|link=]] (88.2%)
* MSL925
* TurretBot
* Samantha
* Stump
* Heboyi
* bruno
* ChickenSuitGuy
* Navag8r
* Spotty
* N
* coolguy
* EFA
* Grambam36
* Arthur101
* Super10ZX
[[File:Voting-oppose.svg|20px|link=]] (11.8%)
* Mick
* Fezaki
decision: accepted}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 03:10|1=Eden342|2=[CLOSED] Proposal for Maki is Knuckles to be a meme.}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 03:10|1=Samanthamk|2=last}}
{{DiscordLog2|t= 03:10|1=Nuc1eusknight|2=byebye}}