User:ZachHasArrived/Circus x headache Debate
The Circus x headache Debate was a high quality debate on the SiIvaGunner Wiki Discord server. It took place on March 4, 2022 and lasted approximately 17 minutes.
History
Deletion of Eyewitness page
At 12:48 PM PST, wiki contributor ZachHasArrived announced he had added every rip featuring Eyewitness to the list of rips featuring media live action subpage and the Eyewitness page and category could be safely deleted. Wiki admin Spottygamester would attempt to delete both pages, but deleted the category page before the main page, forcing fellow admin ironwestie to use AutoWikiBrowser to manually remove all links to the page. The Eyewittness page was successfully deleted at 1:26 PM PST.[1]
Following the page's deletion, several wiki contributors including Memmy (also a major contributor the the SiIvaGunner channel), Miles Prower, Arthur101, and Coolbeans Cruz would give their (likely sarcastic) condolences to the page's removal. Coolbeans Cruz would express a personal belief that SiIvaGunner would publish a high-quality rip featuring Eyewitness in response to the page's deletion, causing Memmy to cryptically claim he was "giving [her] ideas", likely hinting towards creating such a rip herself. Arthur101 would object to this idea, though Memmy was undeterred. Miles Prower and SiIvaGunner contributor Myeauxyoozi were supportive, predicting a week of Memmy-made Eyewitness rips or an outright Eyewitness takeover.
Foundation of Arguement
At 1:37 PM PST, Memmy asked the members of the server how they would react if a hypothetical "Circus" rip titled "Circus (Eyewitmixx)" was uploaded to the channel. Contributor Blueyoshi0014 left a satirical response claiming that since there was already a "Circus" rip on the channel that used the Eyewitness theme as a joke ("Circus (Museumix) - Five Nights at Freddy's"), said rip would not be accepted. Amidst mockery from Myeauxyoozi, Arthur101, and Coolbeans Cruz, contributor would claim Blueyoshi0014's assertion was invalid as there were five "Circus" rips on the channel that all used the song "headache" by matt. Memmy would clarify that there were only three ("Circus (MixDonald's)", "Circus (Muslces Mix)", and "Circus (Brand New Mix)"), but expressed amusement that three "Circus" rips all coincidentally used such a specific song and their main joke and wondered if the backroom would begin setting higher standards on "Circus" rips featuring "headache" similar to non-"Circus" songs that have been ripped multiple times. Coolbeans Cruz and Blueyoshi0014 dismissed this idea, though the latter did find the concept humorous.
Clash with Spottygamester
At 1:56 PM PST, Memmy posted a hypothetical question asking if "headache" would count as a frequently-ripped track if at least ten "Circus" rips using the song as a foundation were published on the channel. This is widely regarded to be the official start of the debate.
SiIvaGunner contributor overcast07 would be the first to form a rebuttal, explaining that the wiki does not examine the contents of a rip when deciding if it should count towards a song being considered a frequently-ripped track (likely to prevent switcheroos from counting against the total), and only the rip's metadata is examined. Memmy, meanwhile, argued that "headache" rips under "Circus" would function nearly identically to any other frequently-ripped track and the subject deserved at least some discussion rather than being dismissed outright.
Spottygamester, however, butted into the conversation out of nowhere and proceeded to do just that. Memmy reaffirmed her belief that three "Circus" rips using the exact same song was already noteworthy on its own and asked again what the wiki would do if "Circus"/"headache" rips met or even exceeded the requirement for a song to be considered a frequently-ripped track. Spottygamester claimed the wiki would have no incentive to do anything, prompting Memmy to clarify that she did not necessarily believe the wiki should label the song as a frequently-ripped track in this scenario, but thought it would be strange if it wasn't acknowledged at all. Blueyoshi0014 then suggested they could add a trivia point to the Five Nights at Freddy's category or "Circus" page, which Memmy and Spottygamester agreed with.
Murder of cookiefonster
At 2:02 PM PST, following the compromise between Memmy and Spottygamester, the latter remarked that even if trivia was created for the "Circus"/"headache" rips, wiki admin and former SiIvaGunner team member cookiefonster would just remove them anyway. Memmy claimed that if he did, she would tell him to "take an L" and that "10 headache rips is [sic] more important than him malding". Impressed with Memmy's epic roasts, Spottygamester could only reply with "Damn Memmy", causing Arthur101 to quip she was "back at it again" (presumably with more cookiefonster slander). This led Spottygamester to laugh out loud and Miles Prower to laugh his ass off. Following this reaction, Memmy claimed it was her "civic duty" to bully cookiefonster and didn't care what he thought. Miles Prower then asked what cookiefonster ever did to Memmy to earn her distain, which Memmy claimed was due to his positive perception of the 2009-2016 multimedia webcomic Homestuck. Confused, Miles Prower asked Memmy to elaborate, but was interrupted by Arthur101, who simply claimed that cookiefonster's opinion warranted capital punishment, a sentence otherwise only awarded to crimes such as murder, terrorism, or treason, which Memmy agreed with.
cookiefonster Arrives
At 2:07 PM PST, Coolbeans Cruz dared someone on the server to ping cookiefonster to hear his stance on the argument, which Miles Prower complied with. cookiefonster replied immediately, having somehow survived Memmy's scathing remarks. He said he didn't see any reason to document such as specific fact, despite Memmy insistence of its oddity. He did admit it might be worth a mention if a source was used ten or more times, but pointed out that several other "Circus" rips have shared sources between them (such as the "Fuck Mix", "she said she wanna dance but she dont know how to mix", "Experimental Version", and "OH MY GAMMIX" all using "money machine" by 100 gecs), though Memmy pointed out that it was much rarer for said source to be the main joke of a rip i.e. not as a brief sample or part of a medley rip.
In an unexpected bout of sanity, cookiefonster addressed the specificity and absurdity of this hypothetical scenario while Memmy acknowledged that "headache" was not, in fact, the only source to be used in a "Circus" rip multiple times. Meanwhile, Miles Prower just then realized everyone was talking about "headache" by matt and not "Heartache" from Undertale (his comments on which were completely ignored). cookiefonster then expressed a belief that if "headache" was used in over ten "Circus" rips, it would make more sense to comment on said fact in the "rips" section rather than the "trivia" section. This was dismissed by Memmy, who pointed out the trivia section is specifically designed to hold information that doesn't quite fit in the main article, and laughed out loud at cookiefonster's foolishness.
Spottygamester, sensing cookiefonster's bruised ego, stepped into the argument and told Memmy she was making cookiefonster "very sad". With delight, Memmy replied she was well aware and, returning to the main discussion, clarified she was aware of the overuse of trivia sections, but believed one would be warranted in this scenario. At 2:13 PM PST, cookiefonster admitted he deserved to be bullied by Memmy, likely due to his aforementioned fondness towards Homestuck.
Outcome
Following cookiefonster's closing remark, no further contributions were made towards the debate, and the consensus seems to be that if a source is used as the main joke in a "Circus" rip at least ten times, it will not be considered a frequently-ripped track, but will be noted on either the Five Nights at Freddy's category page or the "Circus" page.
Participants
- Arthur101
- Blueyoshi0014
- cookiefonster (major)
- Coolbeans Cruz
- Memmy (major)
- Miles Prower
- overcast07
- Spottygamester (major)
- (indirectly)
Trivia
- This is the first appearance of "headache" on the SiIvaGunner Wiki Discord server.
External links
- End of Eyewitness Deletion Debate (Discord)
- Start of debate (Discord)