SiIvaGunner Wiki:Moot/Log 2025 July 19
What's on the menu today?
sir this is not a Wendy's
Here's the topic list:
* Arthur101 - Discuss the creation of an "Events by type" category for super-events.
* TurretBot - "Events by type" category for "Soundtrack completion events" (i.e. events primarily focused on ripping mixless tracks from a certain game).
* TurretBot - Raise FRT threshold.
* TurretBot - MEGALOVANIA - Undertale (January 12, 2018) and Lost Woods - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (January 14, 2018) should be the primary topic instead of MEGALOVANIA - Undertale and Lost Woods - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
* Integer Disarray - {{t{{!}}f}} should be used to link to artists mentioned on rip pages that do not have their own page to link to.
very curious what we’re gonna do given the new circumstances
wow
Here's the topic list:
* Arthur101 - Discuss the creation of an "Events by type" category for super-events.
* TurretBot - "Events by type" category for "Soundtrack completion events" (i.e. events primarily focused on ripping mixless tracks from a certain game).
* TurretBot - Raise FRT threshold.
* TurretBot - MEGALOVANIA - Undertale (January 12, 2018) and Lost Woods - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (January 14, 2018) should be the primary topic instead of MEGALOVANIA - Undertale and Lost Woods - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
* Integer Disarray - {{t{{!}}f}} should be used to link to artists mentioned on rip pages that do not have their own page to link to.
I'll start the first topic then.
* Arthur101 - Discuss the creation of an "Events by type" category for super-events.
Arthur101 mas ele é intrigante ‼ You have the floor.
one of my ideas for the "Events by type" categories was one for super-events, which received significant support but there were disagreements over the criteria for what events should count, so it was not implemented. since it was still largely supported tho, I wanted to bring it up again but properly discuss its criteria.
my original idea was simply "Events containing at least 2 sub-events". I felt like this was simple enough while also being restrictive enough that it didn't count events like Spooktacular Parts V and VI for only having 1 sub-event. with this definition, the following events would be counted as super-events:
- Beginning of The SilvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis
- Monochrome Pause
- Start of Season 3
- King for Another Day Tournament
- SiIvaSummer All-Star Festival
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Winter Festival
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Summer Festival 2021: Legends of the Western Sunset
- SiIvaGunner's Inevitable Holiday Celebration
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Nuclear Winter Festival
- Return of The SilvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis
- The SiIva Spirit Week
- Season Mine
- Spring Cleaning
- Season Mine Episode 2
however, some believed that the criteria are not restrictive enough. to me the biggest outliers here are KFAD2 and Spring Cleaning, but everything else seems fine. we can discuss other ideas any of y'all have and hopefully vote on it.
cuz the second event is less like an "event" more a transition period that happens for most seasons
cuz the second event is less like an "event" more a transition period that happens for most seasons
so yeah I wondered if we could come up with criteria that excluded these outliers, if they are too much of an issue
i guess in my head "events with sub-events" is not how i think about "super-events" but i guess objectively that's kinda what it is... my mental schema for this sort of thing has always been "really long events" though and that would include the halloween ones and probably some other stuff. but that's a substantially different definition of "super-event" so probably irrelevant to this proposal concept
btw the "sub-event" under KFAD2 would be Christmas 2019 and MAGFest 2020
I feel like some association might be important, cause I think the reason it feels weirder is cause it has nothing to do with the main event and was just because of the timing
Whereas usually in stuff like Season Mines or All Star Festivals they've been worked in to the main event canonically or through posts for example
https://www.siivagunner.wiki/wiki/List_of_January_2020_uploads this is what the january 2020 uploads looks like btw for reference
I feel like some association might be important, cause I think the reason it feels weirder is cause it has nothing to do with the main event and was just because of the timing
Like Spring Cleaning was just something that was happening along side other rips and events
so something along the lines of "having at least 2 sub-events that are related to the larger event's themes"
Spring Cleaning the events are less like an event per say but it is all fully connected to being a part of what Spring Cleaning was
Like we wouldn't include the Simpsons in it just because it coincided in the middle of SC
so something along the lines of "having at least 2 sub-events that are related to the larger event's themes"
would the monochrome pause be disqualified from being a super event by this definition
would the monochrome pause be disqualified from being a super event by this definition
Well if those rips all ended up still being monochrome which I think they were than it would count
True, but since it still follows the format of the monochrome event, it should count
April Fools was in colour though that was April Fools, I guess you could say it doesn't count for the monochromatic pause then
I think Start of Season 3 would be disqualified too, but I think I'm fine with that one
btw the "sub-event" under KFAD2 would be Christmas 2019 and MAGFest 2020
btw the "sub-event" under KFAD2 would be Christmas 2019 and MAGFest 2020
Well if those rips all ended up still being monochrome which I think they were than it would count
this would mean that april fools and haruka aren't part of the pause which doesn't sound right to me but whatever
besides one rip
two rips https://www.siivagunner.wiki/wiki/GO_MY_WAY!!(M@STER_Version)-_THE_iDOLM@STER
this would mean that april fools and haruka aren't part of the pause which doesn't sound right to me but whatever
You could argue it being April Fools it broke the form because of illucidity or whatever. I still would group it during the pause because it had that unique Gilva style schedule and makes it still stand out as part of the pause in my head
two rips https://www.siivagunner.wiki/wiki/GO_MY_WAY!!(M@STER_Version)-_THE_iDOLM@STER
wiki lists next event after monochrome as chaze's birthday
one of my ideas for the "Events by type" categories was one for super-events, which received significant support but there were disagreements over the criteria for what events should count, so it was not implemented. since it was still largely supported tho, I wanted to bring it up again but properly discuss its criteria.
my original idea was simply "Events containing at least 2 sub-events". I felt like this was simple enough while also being restrictive enough that it didn't count events like Spooktacular Parts V and VI for only having 1 sub-event. with this definition, the following events would be counted as super-events:
- Beginning of The SilvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis
- Monochrome Pause
- Start of Season 3
- King for Another Day Tournament
- SiIvaSummer All-Star Festival
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Winter Festival
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Summer Festival 2021: Legends of the Western Sunset
- SiIvaGunner's Inevitable Holiday Celebration
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Nuclear Winter Festival
- Return of The SilvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis
- The SiIva Spirit Week
- Season Mine
- Spring Cleaning
- Season Mine Episode 2
however, some believed that the criteria are not restrictive enough. to me the biggest outliers here are KFAD2 and Spring Cleaning, but everything else seems fine. we can discuss other ideas any of y'all have and hopefully vote on it.
so im assuming this list is everything that qualifies as a super event under your original idea? i do feel like there should be a mix of ideas here.
- if a few events are connected by a strong theme, having a lower number is probably fine
- otherwise there should be more events
so im assuming this list is everything that qualifies as a super event under your original idea? i do feel like there should be a mix of ideas here.
- if a few events are connected by a strong theme, having a lower number is probably fine
- otherwise there should be more events
I think Start of Season 3 would be disqualified too, but I think I'm fine with that one
The main gimmick of this event was a tendency towards glitches, and out-of-character (namely, robotic) behavior, as if SiIvaGunner's return was not as legitimate as it appeared. Rips uploaded during this time used the original pre-Reboot description, while the YouTube account used the original channel description, profile picture, and banner. However, this semblance of normality was not to last.
I think based on the premise that during this whole time SiIva was glitchy and that's kinda the whole reason there is a page for this in the first place, it being exhibited in events is enough for them to be considered a part of this I would think.
so im assuming this list is everything that qualifies as a super event under your original idea? i do feel like there should be a mix of ideas here.
- if a few events are connected by a strong theme, having a lower number is probably fine
- otherwise there should be more events
i mean i wasn't there at the time and a lot of y'all were so you probably have a better grasp on this than me but to me the monochrome pause is a time period. and really that applies to a lot of the super events (except spirit week. well i guess a week is a time period but you know what i mean)
so like all of the events that happened in that time period are part of the pause by definition, right?
so im assuming this list is everything that qualifies as a super event under your original idea? i do feel like there should be a mix of ideas here.
- if a few events are connected by a strong theme, having a lower number is probably fine
- otherwise there should be more events
so with the concept of mixing ideas, could it be something like "at least 2 sub-events related to the main theme OR at least 3(?) sub-events in general"?
like i think it would be okay to have a super event with one sub event if the theme is strong, such as the two halloween events you excluded
like i think it would be okay to have a super event with one sub event if the theme is strong, such as the two halloween events you excluded
but like just having one event happening inside a larger event needs something more
I would agree that they are sub events but I don't know if that makes them Super events
Monochrome Pause had April Fools 2017 and Haruka's Birthday, so there's a stronger case for that one
I think it's perfectly fine to classify them separately, a Super event should have plural sub events in my mind
You could say that April Fools 2017 doesn't count because the rips weren't monochrome, but they still happened at the same time
Monochrome Pause had April Fools 2017 and Haruka's Birthday, so there's a stronger case for that one
well that gets back to what i said earlier where like the channel was doing halloween stuff for a whole month right that feels pretty super to me
And Umi Sonada
Based on the page I was under the impression the scheduling of the next few days was associated
actually the fact that it's one rip might be an argument in favor of it being a sub-event of the monochrome pause because that's the whole gimmick of the pause lol
whereas the one rip for umi's birthday that happened other years was in the middle of a whole day of normal uploads
actually the fact that it's one rip might be an argument in favor of it being a sub-event of the monochrome pause because that's the whole gimmick of the pause lol
Spirit Week is an interesting case because it's a sub-event that only has events No days of regular rips
I guess they were saying that this was when all the pause music was uploaded whilst that banner was up
Should have at least 2 sub events that have a strong connection to the main event in some way
so with the concept of mixing ideas, could it be something like "at least 2 sub-events related to the main theme OR at least 3(?) sub-events in general"?
psy day 10 is a super event with sub events despacito takeover and baby shark takeover
Association should be defined either by thematic association or through canonical presentation of the event (banners/pfps, community posts, lore etc. That tie the events to the primary one)
psy day 10 is a super event with sub events despacito takeover and baby shark takeover
single-handedly convinced me to change the criteria to at least 3 sub-events (joke)
at least 2 connected subevents or 3 (un)connected subevents?
psy day 10 is a super event with sub events despacito takeover and baby shark takeover
I would not consider it to even be a new event, even if you counted Baby Shark separate which I guess you can the first two being on the same day clearly makes them part of the one event
is there something that needs this second criteria
idk iirc didnt a bunch of smaller mostly unrelated events occur during the fortnite takeover
I'm going to be honest, I'm kind of struggling to follow along with this discussion since I keep getting distracted with the bug reports channel and migrating my bot account.
i do think that super events should be like at least a week long also. not just as a specific carve out to make psy 10 not count but also there's an implication of "super" = "big event". might even go longer than that but that would knock out Spirit Week which i think we agree shouldn't be knocked out so idk
I'm going to be honest, I'm kind of struggling to follow along with this discussion since I keep getting distracted with the bug reports channel and migrating my bot account.
idk iirc didnt a bunch of smaller mostly unrelated events occur during the fortnite takeover
Association should be defined either by thematic association or through canonical presentation of the event (banners/pfps, community posts, lore etc. That tie the events to the primary one)
Like for Season Mine 2, something like Ghibli Day would count as associated because of the pfp and posts, but Jake Kaufman Day wouldn't because it wasn't acknowledged in any way other than the rips itself
would we call that a superevent or not
No because I think like spring cleaning they aren't connected and were just happening in tandem
idk iirc didnt a bunch of smaller mostly unrelated events occur during the fortnite takeover
Like for Season Mine 2, something like Ghibli Day would count as associated because of the pfp and posts, but Jake Kaufman Day wouldn't because it wasn't acknowledged in any way other than the rips itself
idk iirc didnt a bunch of smaller mostly unrelated events occur during the fortnite takeover
Like for Season Mine 2, something like Ghibli Day would count as associated because of the pfp and posts, but Jake Kaufman Day wouldn't because it wasn't acknowledged in any way other than the rips itself
I think yes, once the majority of events are treated the former way (like Ghibli) the others during the month would all count. Like the monochromatic pause was defined by having rips be affected with thumbnails. Season Mine 2 is directly impacted by Stingy being the host for the duration with their banner/pfp remaining
cuz under the original definition i think it would count since it didnt specify related
I think yes, once the majority of events are treated the former way (like Ghibli) the others during the month would all count. Like the monochromatic pause was defined by having rips be affected with thumbnails. Season Mine 2 is directly impacted by Stingy being the host for the duration with their banner/pfp remaining
Association should be defined either by thematic association or through canonical presentation of the event (banners/pfps, community posts, lore etc. That tie the events to the primary one)
Relation in both ways though, because something that happened in Stingy's tenure should be considered an event hosted during his season (it's defined anyway as lasting that whole duration too) so it would all fall under that
I don't think of Spring Cleaning as a super-event tho, just one that happened in tandem with other stuff intermittently, so I wouldn't want that to count
No because I think like spring cleaning they aren't connected and were just happening in tandem
There wasn't anything special aside from the lore videos being uploaded, which just happened on certain days in bursts
maybe channel advertising should factor in? if the channel explicitly calls an event a super event, maybe we count it even if it doesnt meet whatever requirements we set
The only thing you could do with Spring Cleaning that I was thinking at the start was if you were considering classifying each soundtrack upload block as their own 'sub-events' which was what I thought was happening when this was first pitched
maybe channel advertising should factor in? if the channel explicitly calls an event a super event, maybe we count it even if it doesnt meet whatever requirements we set
maybe channel advertising should factor in? if the channel explicitly calls an event a super event, maybe we count it even if it doesnt meet whatever requirements we set
https://discord.com/channels/787504555763826738/1396265431135813783/1396273665116471386 yes I think the presentation is significant
do all the halloween/christmas events advertise as super events? i feel like they do but im not sure
no, in fact I think Spirit Week was the first time they officially used "super-event" lil
they're just big things on their own they dont put themselves out as something spanning multiple events
yeah because every other big event has been called something else, like a festival
no, in fact I think Spirit Week was the first time they officially used "super-event" lil
I think if we're fine with including The Roaring as an event even if it didn't last the whole day because it was an upload block, the argument would be made for the Spring Cleaning Blocks to be considered as sub-events and SC would be super. The con is I don't think people would find much merit in making all those pages
one of my ideas for the "Events by type" categories was one for super-events, which received significant support but there were disagreements over the criteria for what events should count, so it was not implemented. since it was still largely supported tho, I wanted to bring it up again but properly discuss its criteria.
my original idea was simply "Events containing at least 2 sub-events". I felt like this was simple enough while also being restrictive enough that it didn't count events like Spooktacular Parts V and VI for only having 1 sub-event. with this definition, the following events would be counted as super-events:
- Beginning of The SilvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis
- Monochrome Pause
- Start of Season 3
- King for Another Day Tournament
- SiIvaSummer All-Star Festival
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Winter Festival
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Summer Festival 2021: Legends of the Western Sunset
- SiIvaGunner's Inevitable Holiday Celebration
- SiIvaGunner All-Star Nuclear Winter Festival
- Return of The SilvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis
- The SiIva Spirit Week
- Season Mine
- Spring Cleaning
- Season Mine Episode 2
however, some believed that the criteria are not restrictive enough. to me the biggest outliers here are KFAD2 and Spring Cleaning, but everything else seems fine. we can discuss other ideas any of y'all have and hopefully vote on it.
I think if we're fine with including The Roaring as an event even if it didn't last the whole day because it was an upload block, the argument would be made for the Spring Cleaning Blocks to be considered as sub-events and SC would be super. The con is I don't think people would find much merit in making all those pages
i'm a big supporter of applying "whatever feels right" rules to the whole thing but that approach has obvious issues. i think we agree seperate pages for spring cleaning does not Feel Right though
You could argue that SC would still be classified as a super event but it's redundant to talk about each one on a new page so it's just put all on the original page
all of the intermittent events during spring cleaning would make a spring cleaning super event really annoying to navigate
yeah based on the conversation i think we're in the same spot as last time. we're all okay with super events but we dont know what should count
You could argue that SC would still be classified as a super event but it's redundant to talk about each one on a new page so it's just put all on the original page
It's a case of whatever feels right just like you said, but I still think all those different upload blocks could be considered sub-events without having to put them on separate pages
well i think we all know what should count and the problem is more that different people seem to know different things
which ideas are on the table rn and how much support does each have? i think those should be included to start, then we can add more later
Association should be defined either by thematic association or through canonical presentation of the event (banners/pfps, community posts, lore etc. That tie the events to the primary one)
- Single criteria: 2 related sub-events makes a super event
worst case scenario we could just pass a mega manual list that's like "all the events arthur101 listed except for spring cleaning" but this is effectively the same thing i think so i'd +
if we NEED an exception later i suppose we will cross that bridge when we get there
What should be the wording of the question for the vote?
We will create an "Events by type" category for super-events, with the definition "Events which contain at least 2 sub-events related to the larger event's themes in terms of uploads and/or channel branding."
We will create an "Events by type" category for super-events, with the definition "Events which contain at least 2 sub-events related to the larger event's themes in terms of uploads and/or channel branding." ===
I'll be honest, I don't know if I have the energy to continue this.
I mean TurretBot's not here and I can wait until the next one
your proposal is kinda something we should probably not be discussing rn let alone implementing anyways
You can Chuck it up to poor timing with the schedule, this one point almost lasted an hour lmao
your proposal is kinda something we should probably not be discussing rn let alone implementing anyways