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ThisGreenDingo - Standardising contributor pages to have consistent formatting, amounts of information and consistency in profile picture galleries.
ThisGreenDingo - Standardising meme and frequently ripped track pages in general. Formatting, trivia, lyrics, history etc. Many pages have very dated, mispelt or opinionated text.
Rickhenrique - Deciding in regards of SiIvaGunner original tracks to be consider a meme.
Ironwestie - Follow up on flaws on MarioGunner's Navbox code (https://siivagunner.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ironwestie/Navbox_test), propose using Fandom or Wikipedia's Lua version
Arthur10123 - Classify "Faz o sample de Guitarra" by DJ Marquinho as a channel meme.
if we have time after, we can add topics if needed
  • 22:59: Arthur10123: very much hoping to get to my topic tonight

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Rickhenrique - Deciding in regards of SiIvaGunner original tracks to be consider a meme.
@"CogDis When?" guy , you have the floor
  • 23:03: Rickhenrique: Alright, so it seems a good giving about it. Not sure to be consider either a "meme", or being consider in the same pattern as Althetic Doctor or Wii Shop Bling. But basically, it was discussed before by me and Mick in regards of the uses of original content by SiIvaGunner (aka. "voiceless" and "BE THE KING (Main Theme)") be counted as a meme, and deciding if we make a category to list all the rips/videos that references original content by SiIvaGunner (mostly the songs, usages or based on art styles/artworks from CCC and KFADT, and others).
Addicionally, this was meant to consider "FIGHTING KING (Main Theme)" to be a meme, due to having enough amount for the rips, and follows up the same pattern amount like "BE THE KING" (aka. counting tracks from KFADT that also references the said track). This was originally meant to be only that until the discussion about the original content being referenced to be a meme.
Motives:
In regards of the category, SiIvaGunner is referenced themselfs a lot, specially for their original content tracks, a category dedicared only the original content by SiIvaGunner would work in terms of organizating them. In regards of what would counts are basically: Tracks originared from the said series, content/art-styles from the said series (aka. if theres a rip featuring or replicaring the art style of KFADT, then it's a rip referencing KFADT), pairing, and others.
In regards of "FIGHTING KING (Main Theme)", is due to the amount of tracks, and as well having a similar reception to "BE THE KING (Main Theme)", despite the amount of tracks usages. The list can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHH-ZK5-J-PnzOEC0rdG9ICRvjMRVYmQr . Other than that, it's just shares the same receptions overall.
  • 23:03: Rickhenrique: Yeah I came prepared...almost above of the time, but yeah
  • 23:04: Ironwestie: I'm having some trouble parsing some of this proposal because of the grammar
  • 23:05: Pokemonfreak777: so the way im reading this topic, you want to discuss how to classify when siiva references their own original content right?
  • 23:05: Rickhenrique: Yes
  • 23:05: Rickhenrique: As a solely category
  • 23:06: Pokemonfreak777: so the difference between "rips featuring voiceless/fighting king/etc" vs "rips referencing original content by siivagunner"?
  • 23:07: Rickhenrique: Yes²
  • 23:07: Ironwestie: I think there's also a bit about counting FIGHTING KING as a meme?
  • 23:07: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Ironwestie: I think there's also a bit about counting FIGHTING KING as a meme?] Yes³, due to reaching the criteria, however it was undecided if it was a meme or not
  • 23:08: ThisGreenDingo: this could be a useful distinction, though I think I'd wait until a new criteria is made for FIGHTING KING
  • 23:08: Rickhenrique: Thanks to that category decidion and majority came from KFADT itself
  • 23:09: Ironwestie: Pokemonfreak, I will defer to you to decide what to do, but I suggest that we focus on one thing at a time, starting with the category
  • 23:09: Ironwestie: I also think this topic is deceptively big
  • 23:09: Ironwestie: and should have been split
  • 23:10: Rickhenrique: Tbf it was my fault for missing out on the previous moot, but yeah, I can see it
  • 23:10: Pokemonfreak777: yeah lets start with discussing the "rips featuring" part. what do you think should be done in terms of siiva original content on that front?
  • 23:11: Mick the Squirrel: most rips featuring fighting king seem to be from the two tournaments, with only 9 external rips featuring it. Wouldn't that classify it as a frequently ripped track? Headachery.
  • 23:11: Pokemonfreak777: in other words, should they be treated like any other source and be subject to the meme criteria whatever that is?
  • 23:12: Mick the Squirrel: fighting king should stay within the kfad1 rior until there are a larger amount of rips featuring the motif outside of tourneys imo.
  • 23:13: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: yeah lets start with discussing the "rips featuring" part. what do you think should be done in terms of siiva original content on that front?] Said on the motives but basically:
Any original and remix originated from SiIvaGunner should be counted for the category, same with the art style or reuses of the artworks
Thread as like a rips that features SiIvaGunner original content, also works as Rips featuring as well
If not consider this, then the tracks will be threat as like Rips featuring rules
  • 23:13: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: most rips featuring fighting king seem to be from the two tournaments, with only 9 external rips featuring it. Wouldn't that classify it as a frequently ripped track? Headacher...] I dont think original content / fake games would count it?
I mean, it's excencially fake tracks in some way
I dont remember in regards of those
  • 23:14: Pokemonfreak777: [in reply to: Rickhenrique: Said on the motives but basically: Any original and remix originated from SiIvaGunner should be counted for the category, same with the art style or reuses of ...] wait. so you're proposing a "rips featuring" of just siiva content in general?
  • 23:14: Mick the Squirrel: i would prefer Rips featuring siiva content.
  • 23:14: Mick the Squirrel: the meme pages would have to be contained on the same page as the rip, which looks odd
  • 23:15: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: i would prefer Rips featuring siiva content.] I honestly was thinking on this direction
And I think I will now
  • 23:15: Ironwestie: So are we now saying that rips themselves can become memes?
  • 23:15: Rickhenrique: However, I do think that voiceless and BE THE KING be consider as separated memes
  • 23:15: Rickhenrique: As far as I know for BE THE KING, 25 that was featured ARENT from KFADT
  • 23:16: Spottygamester: voiceless is already treated as a meme.
  • 23:16: Mick the Squirrel: something "Rips referencing Athletic Doctor"-adjacent would be the best.
  • 23:16: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Spottygamester: voiceless is already treated as a meme.] Yeah that's what Im saying as such
  • 23:16: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: something "Rips referencing Athletic Doctor"-adjacent would be the best.] ^^^^^^^
  • 23:17: Mick the Squirrel: voiceless is a weird case, it does have a larger presence outside of being a reused motif in its source material
  • 23:17: Arthur10123: so a "Rips referencing SiIvaGunner original content" category, separate from the "Rips referencing other rips" category?
  • 23:17: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Arthur10123: so a "Rips referencing SiIvaGunner original content" category, separate from the "Rips referencing other rips" category?] Yes yes
  • 23:17: Pokemonfreak777: i think im more in favor of each individual source being treated as a meme versus just one big meme category encompassing all siiva content
  • 23:18: Mick the Squirrel: i don't think it would be all siiva content, only prominent original projects
  • 23:18: Pokemonfreak777: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: i think im more in favor of each individual source being treated as a meme versus just one big meme category encompassing all siiva content] for the latter, a rips referencing category makes more sense i think
  • 23:18: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: i think im more in favor of each individual source being treated as a meme versus just one big meme category encompassing all siiva content] I dont mind the choice for this case honestly
Since it would be massive for it
  • 23:18: Spottygamester: I'm not sure. I think original siiva songs being used in rips tends to be pretty notable.
  • 23:18: Rickhenrique: And they are
By a bunch honestly
  • 23:18: Rickhenrique: Specially with that one Jet Set Radio fake game
  • 23:18: Rickhenrique: CCC and KFADT as a whole
  • 23:18: Rickhenrique: And others
  • 23:19: Ironwestie: I'm thinking about all of the potential implications of this, including the fact that we have "Remastered rips" and rips that reference other rips
  • 23:19: Ironwestie: Like rips that use the same jokes or "parts" of a previous rip
  • 23:20: Pokemonfreak777: the athletic doctor/wii shop bling categories are what most closely resemble what the big siiva category is i believe
  • 23:20: Pokemonfreak777: those are kinda a subset of rips that reference other rips
  • 23:20: Rickhenrique: What I meant is basically original content, not content modified, aka. Normal rips or remastered
  • 23:21: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Arthur10123: so a "Rips referencing SiIvaGunner original content" category, separate from the "Rips referencing other rips" category?] ^ like this
  • 23:21: Ironwestie: KFAD content is treated as a rip according to the August 5, 2023 moot
  • 23:21: Ironwestie:
We will create a new category called "Original remixes". This will include all arrangements/remixes that are done for SGFR and both KFADs, and we will no longer label SGFR tracks as rips. KFAD tracks will still be seen as rips due to them being from fake games. (7-0-0)
* The current "Remixes" category will be redefined to only be about rips that include remix elements. (7-0-0)
* Rips of SGFR and KFAD remixes, such as those made during April Fools 2023, will be treated as rips. (7-0-0)
  • 23:21: Ironwestie: I'm not opposed to changing this categorization, but it should be made clear that this is being changed
  • 23:22: TurretBot: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: the meme pages would have to be contained on the same page as the rip, which looks odd] They could be given their own pages. Actually, it's very much set up like this already because all rips using them currently link to a redirect.
  • 23:23: Rickhenrique: Thinking now, yeah I can see how this is the issue for it
And yeah, voiceless and BE THE KING has their redirects pages to their rips
  • 23:23: Rickhenrique: And I would imagine that if it was to create a category as "Rips featuring" would be a kinda decisive choice since of creating a page of it
  • 23:23: Rickhenrique: Unless of course get the threatment like Althetic Doctor
  • 23:25: Ironwestie: I don't think they need to have a separate page. The History section on the voiceless page sums up how the references are made.
  • 23:25: Mick the Squirrel: so what content would be split from the rip page onto the meme page? just the history and external link?
  • 23:26: Ironwestie: We could just add a section called "Usage as a meme" or something
  • 23:26: Rickhenrique: I think we would still use the rip pages as meme pages, just so we dont get a clone problem in some way
  • 23:26: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Ironwestie: We could just add a section called "Usage as a meme" or something] Also yeah, this would work in some way
  • 23:26: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Rickhenrique: I think we would still use the rip pages as meme pages, just so we dont get a clone problem in some way] Since it's already explained by itself, considering how meme pages are threated as such
  • 23:26: Mick the Squirrel: i don't like how it stands out in the meme category with the long "- The SiIvaGunner Christmas Comeback Crisis Original Soundtrack" at the end but that is again just a visual peeve
  • 23:26: Arthur10123: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: so what content would be split from the rip page onto the meme page? just the history and external link?] I don't think that is enough to split it to a separate page. renaming the "History" section or adding a new section is more viable
  • 23:27: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Rickhenrique: Since it's already explained by itself, considering how meme pages are threated as such] Plus, it could work to being threat lime Althetic Doctor rip page was
  • 23:28: Pokemonfreak777: ok so what do you want the vote to be about? creating the category for siiva original content?
  • 23:28: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: ok so what do you want the vote to be about? creating the category for siiva original content?] Yes
  • 23:28: Rickhenrique: It was also featuring the side for the uh, another KFADT track, but I think it's better not to do it then
  • 23:28: Rickhenrique: Since it's need more rips featuring in for this one
  • 23:28: Rickhenrique: That isnt just from KFADT
  • 23:29: Ironwestie: What would the scope of this category be, again? We've been talking about a few different things
  • 23:29: Ironwestie:
 Tracks originared from the said series, content/art-styles from the said series (aka. if theres a rip featuring or replicaring the art style of KFADT, then it's a rip referencing KFADT), pairing, and others.

this is what you said in your original proposal

  • 23:30: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Ironwestie: > Tracks originared from the said series, content/art-styles from the said series (aka. if theres a rip featuring or replicaring the art style of KFADT, then it's a rip referen...] Yes, basically originated from and made for SiIva, not being actual rips of it, but being the original tracks for a expecific series of sorts
  • 23:30: Rickhenrique: As well as if sharing the same art style type or references as such
  • 23:31: Pokemonfreak777: ok so would something like this be what youre looking for the vote to be?
We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner". It will contain rips that reference original content by SiIvaGunner, such as KFAD, SGFR, and fake games such as Jet Set Radio Evolution
  • 23:31: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Rickhenrique: As well as if sharing the same art style type or references as such] Like a rip that has nothing to do with original content, but it was made based on the said original content
  • 23:31: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: ok so would something like this be what youre looking for the vote to be? > We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner". It will conta...] Yes
  • 23:31: Rickhenrique: This
  • 23:32: Pokemonfreak777: ok are there any other last opinions on this before we start voting with the above wording?
  • 23:32: Arthur10123: and it would be a super-category that would include the already existing categories for "voiceless" and "BE THE KING"? asking just to clarify
  • 23:32: Ironwestie: I would also have a sentence about how this is not the same as rips referencing other rips
  • 23:33: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Ironwestie: I would also have a sentence about how this is not the same as rips referencing other rips] This
  • 23:33: Ironwestie: so it would not have Rips referencing Athletic Doctor (EDIT: inside the category as a subcategory, I mean)
  • 23:33: Rickhenrique: And also so people dont confuse it too
  • 23:33: Mick the Squirrel: We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner". It will contain rips that reference Original compositions from SiIvaGunner, such as those from KFAD, SGFR, and fake games such as Jet Set Radio Evolution
  • 23:34: Pokemonfreak777:
We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner". It will contain rips that reference original content by SiIvaGunner, such as KFAD, SGFR, and fake games such as Jet Set Radio Evolution. This will not include rips that reference other rips created by the channel (i.e. Athletic Doctor).
is this better?
We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner".  It will contain rips that reference {{Category|Original compositions}} by SiIvaGunner, such as KFAD, SGFR, and fake games such as Jet Set Radio Evolution. This will not include rips that reference other rips created by the channel (i.e. Athletic Doctor).
how's this
  • 23:36: Mick the Squirrel: yeah we don't need things like, kfad character portraits and certain thumbnails being technically included in the category. only include the music
  • 23:36: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: > We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner". It will contain rips that reference ...] Again, yes
  • 23:37: Mick the Squirrel: so, will this include reuse of the kfad motifs in kfad?
  • 23:37: Mick the Squirrel: i feel like this was answered but i wasnt paying attention
  • 23:37: TurretBot: aren't those part of original compositions itself
  • 23:37: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: so, will this include reuse of the kfad motifs in kfad?] Theoretically yes, if the category being accepted we can try on deciding this
Altho considering that KFAD is threated as rips, this shouldnt be so bad to consider
  • 23:38: Rickhenrique: Majority yes, they are either remixes or originals
  • 23:38: Pokemonfreak777: i would personally exclude them but idk tbh
  • 23:39: Mick the Squirrel: and at what point, if any, should certain motifs bud off from the category? the usual 25 rips?
(this is a smaller subject compared to memes we can just use a concrete number)
  • 23:39: Rickhenrique: Well, we can consider as rips of if the track is remix, so we can excuse it
  • 23:39: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: and at what point, if any, should certain motifs bud off from the category? the usual 25 rips? (this is a smaller subject compared to memes we can just use a concrete number...] Yeah we will threat it as a single source criteria meme
  • 23:39: Rickhenrique: If they reach it and is featured more
  • 23:40: Pokemonfreak777: sure but i think thats separate from the main topic
  • 23:40: Rickhenrique: Yeah true
  • 23:40: Rickhenrique: Lets start voting shall we?
  • 23:40: Ironwestie: I think we should try to move to a vote soon. I'm getting confused as time goes on
  • 23:40: Spottygamester: Same here.
  • 23:40: Mick the Squirrel: if theres confusion there needs to be more discussion then
  • 23:40: Mick the Squirrel: right?
  • 23:41: Arthur10123: 40 minutes on this one already lmao
  • 23:41: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Arthur10123: 40 minutes on this one already lmao] ^
  • 23:41: Mick the Squirrel: jesus how does time pass so quickly
  • 23:41: Ironwestie: I'm confused because we keep adding qualifications to the criteria and the topic jumps around a lot
  • 23:41: Rickhenrique: This is what Im sayin'
  • 23:41: Pokemonfreak777: im gonna start the vote
We will create a category "Rips featuring original content by SiIvaGunner".  It will contain rips that reference {{Category|Original compositions}} by SiIvaGunner, such as KFAD, SGFR, and fake games such as Jet Set Radio Evolution. This will not include rips that reference other rips created by the channel (i.e. Athletic Doctor).

===

vote closed
So I will try on help what I can with this
Follow up on flaws on MarioGunner's Navbox code (https://siivagunner.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ironwestie/Navbox_test), propose using Fandom or Wikipedia's Lua version

We will change the code of Template:Navbox and Template:Navbox_series to the code written for the MarioGunner wiki (https://mariogunner.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox?oldid=606 and https://mariogunner.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_series?oldid=607). (5-1-1)
I was tasked with testing the code for the navbox template and analyzing it, as I had voted to oppose it because it had not been tested. Here are my findings and my recommendations.
There are three main differences between our code and MarioGunner's:
1. Both of the MarioGunner templates' code is completely different from the code we use for our templates
2. The structure of how the navboxes are constructed is completely different. MarioGunner's navbox uses groups and lists for its body, while we just have a single body.
3. MarioGunner's Navbox series is completely dependant on Navbox to work, while we have two separate templates that are not connected at all.
(EDIT: fixed numbering)
1. MarioGunner has only one navbox series template, which is https://mariogunner.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_series_Mario. It does not have any navbox templates. For comparison, we have 20 navboxes (https://siivagunner.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Navboxes) and 190 navbox series.
2. I bring this up because MarioGunner's template has not been thoroughly tested on even their own wiki, so I doubt it will scale well with ours
2. MarioGunner's Navbox template is designed to be used inside of the Navbox series template. This design difference is significant, because it means we will also have to change all of our non-series navbox templates to fit the format of the new Navbox.
3. MarioGunner's template is not simple to use or understand. While the usage syntax of its Navbox series template appears to be similar with ours, its Navbox template is completely different. Additionally, it is very difficult to read the code of Template:Navbox, and I do not feel qualified to properly think through all of the edge cases associated with the code
  • 23:45: Ironwestie: Therefore, I do not believe that MarioGunner's navbox code is sufficient for our purposes. However, Overcast and I are currently investigating two alternatives:
1. dev.fandom.com's Lua code
2. Wikipedia's Lua code
I had hoped to finish testing by this meeting, but IRL things have taken priority.
  • 23:45: Ironwestie: What I would like to decide in this meeting is:
1. Should we abandon the MarioGunner navbox move?
2. If so, are we then going to try either the dev.fandom.com navbox OR the Wikipedia navbox, or abandon the move altogether?
  • 23:45: Ironwestie: I concede the floor to questions
  • 23:47: Mick the Squirrel: well definitely don't abandon it
  • 23:47: Mick the Squirrel: i have honestly been sitting back and putting my trust in you and overcast, idk how most of this works
  • 23:48: Ironwestie: I can go into more technical detail if that is helpful
  • 23:48: TurretBot: i think it's important to note that the mariogunner nvabox code appeared to just be an outdated version of the wikipedia navbox, as found by overcast
  • 23:50: Pokemonfreak777: i think i'd be okay with abandoning the mariogunner navbox code honestly. i personally didnt think the code made the navbox look that much better, and it seems like the technical portion might be more of a headache than it is worth
  • 23:50: Rickhenrique: Tbh, I dont think it would be a good idea to abandone it, it seems better just to take more time and pacient to code in it
  • 23:50: Ironwestie: (I fixed the numbering on the three differences, by the way)
  • 23:50: Ironwestie: From my initial efforts in translating the navboxes, I think it would be possible, but it would take some more technical people to understand and maintain the code than just Overcast and I
  • 23:51: Pokemonfreak777: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: i think i'd be okay with abandoning the mariogunner navbox code honestly. i personally didnt think the code made the navbox look that much better, and it seem...] of course having said this, we could look into other alternatives
  • 23:52: Ironwestie: The code is not too difficult to understand, but so far only Overcast and I have taken any time into researching it
  • 23:52: Pokemonfreak777: i could take a crack at it if i have time
  • 23:52: TurretBot: the differences between the three possible new implementations are largely technical, and i don't think it would make much difference for the end users, as the end result would be that all the navboxes look better in the same ways regardless of specific implementation, although i agree with where the thread currently sits in that using wikipedia's is probably the best idea
  • 23:52: Ironwestie: I should also mention that the effort would need to go on without me, since I will soon be very busy IRL
  • 23:52: Ironwestie: I don't think we have decided whether to use dev.fandom.com's or Wikipedia's version
  • 23:53: TurretBot: oh
  • 23:54: Ironwestie: The testing has just started, essentially
  • 23:54: Ironwestie: That's why I just want to know if we should continue testing
  • 23:54: TurretBot: okay; overcast definitely said wikipedia's is (uncertainly) the better option, i generalized the statement. sorry
  • 23:54: TurretBot: i would be willing to help with this
  • 23:55: Pokemonfreak777: do you have a link to dev.fandom.com and wikipedia's versions for reference?
  • 23:55: Ironwestie: One sec
  • 23:55: Ironwestie: Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox
  • 23:55: Ironwestie: Dev: https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox
  • 23:55: Ironwestie: Overcast and I set up test wikis to test the navboxes, so they are also on those wikis
  • 23:55: Ironwestie: Dev: https://test-123.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox
Wikipedia: https://test-1234.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Navbox
  • 23:55: Ironwestie: As I've mentioned, this is a very technical topic, so I really just want to get confirmation on whether to move forward with testing and get a sense of who can commit time to help
  • 23:58: Mick the Squirrel: i like the thinner fandom navbox
  • 23:58: Mick the Squirrel: lowers scroll time
  • 23:58: Mick the Squirrel: saves page space
  • 23:58: Mick the Squirrel: but still, both are effective
  • 23:59: Ironwestie: Any other thoughts or questions for me?
  • 23:59: TurretBot: the only difference is the text size
  • 23:59: TurretBot: you could achieve the same look on the wikipedia one :p
  • 0:00: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i think both are fine. is there one that seems easier to implement so far?
  • 0:00: Mick the Squirrel: well what ever then !
  • 0:00: Ironwestie: Implementation wise, there would be a sizable effort needed to translate our navboxes to either of these formats
  • 0:01: TurretBot: It appears that the test-123 wiki already has pages set up for all of the non-series navboxes but without any translated code. Is the main priority here basically to turn all of these into functioning navboxes on the test wikis as a test?
https://test-123.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Navbox
  • 0:01: Ironwestie: Especially the non-navbox series navboxes like Top10. Those ones need a human to go through it and redesign them
  • 0:01: Ironwestie: Re: TurretBot: I have imported all of the Navbox templates, but I have not yet begun moving them to use Template:Navbox. They are currently the same as the siivagunner wiki versions
  • 0:02: Mick the Squirrel: there are lots of people with lots of free time editing the wiki currently, i don't think they would mind another job to do
just teach em how it works and send em off
  • 0:02: Ironwestie: Sorry, that didn't actually answer question. Yes, that is the intention
  • 0:02: TurretBot: in that case yeah i can help with this
  • 0:03: Pokemonfreak777: [in reply to: Mick the Squirrel: there are lots of people with lots of free time editing the wiki currently, i don't think they would mind another job to do just teach em how it works and send em off] that might be easier said than done lol
  • 0:03: Ironwestie: to be clear, helping implement this would require:
    • Knowledge of AutoWikiBrowser (by someone, not necessarily everyone)
    • Knowledge of wikitext
    • Knowledge of regular expressions
    • Cursory knowledge of CSS
  • 0:04: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i can help with this as well
  • 0:04: Ironwestie: Okay. The only thing I need now is the vote on whether to continue testing or not.
  • 0:04: Pokemonfreak777: so i assume we are also choosing the dev.fandom version?
  • 0:05: Ironwestie: There are two wikis, each of which test one version of the navbox code. We would need to test both, assuming we are considering both
  • 0:07: TurretBot: i think it's a good idea to test both
  • 0:07: Arthur10123: same
  • 0:07: Pokemonfreak777: i can set up the following two votes
1. We will no longer be using the MarioGunner navbox code after testing has found multiple issues.
2. We will instead use the code from dev.fandom/Wikipedia.
or would it be better as one vote?
We will instead test the compatibility of dev.fandom/Wikipedia and, in a later moot, determine which of the two versions to use

1. We will no longer be using the MarioGunner navbox code after testing has found multiple issues.
2. We will instead test the compatibility of dev.fandom/Wikipedia and, in a later moot, determine which of the two versions to use.
is this better?
  • 0:09: Pokemonfreak777: [in reply to: TurretBot: idk why it would be two votes] it could be one vote i guess
  • 0:09: Ironwestie: yes for me. having two votes makes it clear that if number 1 fails, we will just not do any testing and stop there
  • 0:09: Ironwestie: oh, I guess that is just number 2
  • 0:09: Ironwestie: I mean, if number 1 fails, I think that implies that we don't do testing and just keep going with mario gunner
  • 0:10: TurretBot: ok
  • 0:11: Pokemonfreak777: number one is basically removing the mariogunner code from consideration entirely
number two is approving the testing of additional versions
so we could end up with three versions to consider i guess?
1. We will no longer be using the MarioGunner navbox code after testing has found multiple issues.
2. We will instead test the compatibility of dev.fandom/Wikipedia and, in a later moot, determine which of the two versions to use.
 
Please vote for each topic.

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Classify "Faz o sample de Guitarra" by DJ Marquinho as a channel meme.
@Arthur101 if he was from Ohio ‼ take it away
"Faz o sample de Guitarra" by DJ Marquinho is a Brazilian meme that has been featured in 25 rips on the SiIvaGunner channel. it first appeared in 3 rips uploaded from 2016 to 2017, but later reappeared in late 2023 and has been showing up rather frequently since then, often being paired with other Brazilian sources, most notably the two biggest Brazilian sources, Os Barões da Pisadinha and SORRIZO RONALDO, as a sort of "Brazilian trio" of the channel. I believe that this source has achieved enough notoriety on the channel and its community to be considered a channel meme on the wiki.
original source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bisRe1YfEhY
playlist of rips featuring the source: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgYEwPsMPE-OC5BXCeeqtyrVSXa-cHFAr
if y'all are interested, I also have a list of all rips that feature Sampley together with Barões and/or RONALDO, to prove their "trio" status
Arthur is the fastest to do a page, so it shouldnt be a problem
And I think it would be good to see as a type of pairing list of the Brazillian trio, heh
  • 0:20: Ironwestie: One of the requirements for presenting memes in a moot was to specify which criteria you used to determine it was a meme
  • 0:20: Ironwestie: I think you've said some of it in your paragraph, but could you write all of them out?
  • 0:21: Pokemonfreak777: ok so what i see so far
    • it has a decent amount of uses (25+)
    • it is often associated with two other current memes on the channel (meme association)
    • it was used frequently during late 2023 (lots of use in a short time)
    • it is already an existing meme in Brazil (meme outside of SiIvaGunner context)
is there anything else im missing?
  • 0:21: Mick the Squirrel: frequence in a relatively short amount of time
  • 0:22: Arthur10123: yes
  • 0:22: Ironwestie: Do those three things pokemonfreak and Mick mentioned cover all of your criteria?
  • 0:22: Ironwestie: asking because you replied "yes"
  • 0:24: Arthur10123: pretty much, yeah
  • 0:24: Pokemonfreak777: under the old rules i would agree to this being a meme, but if we're scrapping that i honestly am not sure. the number of reasons seems a bit thin to me
  • 0:24: Pokemonfreak777: dont get me wrong i love the source, but honestly the source seems like kind of an afterthought to the other two bigger memes
  • 0:27: Arthur10123: I really don't think of it as an afterthought, it's an already existing meme in Brazil that's being now being represented with the other two
  • 0:27: TurretBot: is it being an existing meme part of your consideration too then?
  • 0:28: Arthur10123: honestly I would say so too lol
  • 0:29: Ironwestie: I don't have anything further to ask or add. I'm not very familiar with the source, myself
  • 0:29: Pokemonfreak777: [in reply to: Pokemonfreak777: ok so what i see so far *it has a decent amount of uses (25+) *it is often associated with two other current memes on the channel (meme association) *it was ...] ok updated the list to include the fourth reason
  • 0:30: Rickhenrique: Lets just say that in the origin source it has the same amount of memes and references as Sorrizo Ronaldo
And in the SiIvaGunner channel, it's sometimes paired together in some way
We will classify "Faz o sample de Guitarra" by DJ Marquinho as a channel meme.

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vote end
muito obrigado a todos.
  • 0:38: Pokemonfreak777: alright that will be the last topic for today
  • 0:38: Ironwestie: thanks again for leading, pokemonfreak
  • 0:38: Rickhenrique: [in reply to: Arthur10123: thank you very much, everyone. muito obrigado a todos.] De nada
You're welcome
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