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    1 Discuss guidelines for writing pages for seasons (see my draft for Season 1 and TurretBot's drafts for Season 2 and guidelines).
    2  Rename the event category "Reboot" to "SilvaGunner: Rebooted", and rename the playlist category "SilvaGunner: Rebooted" to "SilvaGunner: Rebooted (playlist)" (taking after the event and playlist categories for The SilvaGunner Spooktacular Halloween Horror Special: Part III).
   3 Move the "Uploads" navbox in the lists of uploads to the top of the pages instead of the very bottom, for ease of navigation.
   4 Propose the creation of a Toby Fox navbox.
  • funnii - Make a "Rips featuring Tito Dick" category as well as discussing other rips featuring categories for other characters.
  • 0:03: Spottygamester: I should mention that Arthur has asked me to cover his topics today as he isn't able to attend today's moot.

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Discuss guidelines for writing pages for seasons (see my draft for Season 1 and TurretBot's drafts for Season 2 and guidelines).

since the December 2023 moot, I have created a draft for the page about Season 1 with ideas suggested in the moot and the wiki chat, but besides that, we haven't had much more direct discussion on the topic of guidelines for these pages, so I'm bringing that here. we can discuss the ideas in my draft, as well as the outline created by TurretBot back in 2022. User:Arthur10123/Season 1
User:TurretBot/Season 2
User:TurretBot/Season page outline

  • 0:12: Pokemonfreak777: for the most part, i think arthur's draft looks pretty good
  • 0:12: Spottygamester: I agree.
  • 0:13: Pokemonfreak777: it covers most of what i would expect from a season page (not sure about the ambiguity section from turretbot's version, but maybe thats cuz its for season 2)
  • 0:13: Wtfradio1000: wait lemme look
  • 0:13: Spottygamester: Though the topic is here trying to figure out what the standard guidelines for how season articles are formatted.
  • 0:13: Rickhenrique: I agree with it, and also the idea of separating like this instead of redirecting to the channel definivelly works well, as well as the format works well
  • 0:13: FunniiXD: wait I'm here
  • 0:14: Rickhenrique: oh heya, funnii
  • 0:14: Spottygamester: Hello.
  • 0:14: FunniiXD: apologies i had to go do something
  • 0:14: Wtfradio1000: i think arthur's draft is good
  • 0:14: Spottygamester: I pinged you because you have a topic for this moot.
  • 0:14: FunniiXD: alr should I wait until we're done with arthur's suggestion?
  • 0:15: Spottygamester: After we've done discussing Arthur's first pitch.
  • 0:15: FunniiXD: alright
  • 0:16: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i think the sections listed in arthurs draft (summary, memes, uploads, channel events, albums) is really all we need for a season page
  • 0:17: Wtfradio1000: his draft is very good
  • 0:17: Spottygamester: I agree. Is there anything from Turret's Season 2 draft that should be incorporated though?
  • 0:18: Pokemonfreak777: Not entirely sure. Turret separated out the haltmann takeover for season 2, so i dont know if thats something we need to do for seasons with a particularly notable event
  • 0:19: Pokemonfreak777: such as season 4 and KFAD2
  • 0:19: Spottygamester: Turret does go into a little more detail in his draft here.

User:TurretBot/Season page outline

  • 0:19: Spottygamester: It's interesting, even if there are some things I personally don't agree with.
  • 0:19: FunniiXD: I do believe the season 1 draft should include a "other memes" section since there are some smaller scale memes that had relevance throughout season 1 such as green de la bean or space jam
  • 0:20: Wtfradio1000: space jam is one of my favorite memes
  • 0:20: Rickhenrique: that would definivelly work, listing the others memes that, even minor, still contributes for the season
  • 0:21: Spottygamester: I agree. I think it would make sense to make a sub section of the existing memes part.
  • 0:21: Spottygamester: Rename "Major memes" to just "Memes" and include it in there.
  • 0:22: Spottygamester: That's what I would do anyway.
  • 0:22: Pokemonfreak777: Would we be listing memes in the season they are introduced or in the season they became popular? or both?
  • 0:22: Spottygamester: That I'm not sure.
  • 0:22: Spottygamester: Probably the latter.
  • 0:22: Pokemonfreak777: cuz i think theres an ongoing "peak era" debate that ties into this
  • 0:22: FunniiXD: honestly I think both for some occasions
  • 0:23: Spottygamester: Since there are some Inspecter Gadget rips in Season 1, but it didn't become a meme until Season 2.
  • 0:23: Spottygamester: Just to give an example.
  • 0:23: FunniiXD: example for a season 4 page you would include harlem shake but it should also be included in a season 6 page
  • 0:23: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i remember a bunch of memes that technically were first used in early seasons but became a meme in later seasons
  • 0:24: FunniiXD: I think peak era should apply for most occasions
  • 0:24: Rickhenrique: I would imagine to mentioned or including as a minor meme; mostly to mention their first appearances before of the peak era coming in
  • 0:24: Spottygamester: tbh I see "Harlem Shake" as a meme that just got its own event later on.
  • 0:24: FunniiXD: yeah but it was used very scarcely after season 4
  • 0:25: FunniiXD: until season 6 where after the event it became way more recurring
  • 0:25: Spottygamester: That's true, though let's not get too sidetracked here.
  • 0:25: Pokemonfreak777: basically if we were to do "notable memes" and "other memes" sections i assume we list all memes in the other section of the season introduced unless it became notable that season as well?
  • 0:26: Rickhenrique: that feels more like it
  • 0:26: Spottygamester: Possibly.
  • 0:26: Pokemonfreak777: and then mention it again in the notable memes section of the later seasons that it gets popular
  • 0:26: FunniiXD: I agree with this
  • 0:26: Pokemonfreak777: so gadget would be in the other section of season 1, but notable section of season 2
  • 0:26: FunniiXD: eh
  • 0:27: FunniiXD: personally I dont see gadget as a season 1 meme
  • 0:27: Spottygamester: Inspector Gadget isn't really a Season 1 meme though.
  • 0:27: Rickhenrique: same, it works well to show their first appearances and explain better for their season that got mostly relevant
  • 0:27: Spottygamester: It was very rarely used during that period.
  • 0:27: Pokemonfreak777: but it showed up in season 1
  • 0:27: Spottygamester: Yeah but it wasn't a meme during that period.
  • 0:27: Wtfradio1000:
  • 0:28: Pokemonfreak777: thats basically what i wanna figure out is if we list it there since it was introduced (but not a meme) in season 1
  • 0:28: FunniiXD: I dont think so honestly
  • 0:28: Pokemonfreak777: cuz otherwise i dont really see a point to an "other memes" section
  • 0:28: Spottygamester: I agree though we're getting pretty off topic here. We're discussing what the formatting of Season articles will be, not deciding the peak eras of specific memes.
  • 0:29: Pokemonfreak777: just list the notable memes when they became notable
  • 0:29: Spottygamester: I get why you brought it up, but I feel like we're starting to get off track.
  • 0:29: Wtfradio1000: yeah i mean like all the memes are good like why would we have a other memes section
  • 0:29: FunniiXD: other memes in my mind are memes that arent on the same level as notability as grand dad or snow halation
  • 0:30: Pokemonfreak777: this feels subjective honestly
  • 0:30: Wtfradio1000: i think grand dad and snow halation are the most notable jokes on a rip
  • 0:30: Pokemonfreak777: anyways yeah this is getting off track. other than that im fine with the current format
  • 0:31: FunniiXD: but if it's hard to decide whats consider other memes then we can do just "memes"
  • 0:31: Wtfradio1000: memes!!!!!!
  • 0:32: Spottygamester: So other then renaming "Major memes" to "Memes" and adding a "Other memes" subsection to it, is there anything else we want to change with the formatting standards of this?

User:Arthur10123/Season 1

  • 0:33: Rickhenrique: not gonna lie, if for to form something in regrads of this, I would consider a section of "notable first appearances" for the memes, but that's just me for this case, it really feels better just go with "major meme" and "minor memes" for it

this is all I got in my mind looking by it, I can be wrong for it

  • 0:33: Pokemonfreak777: if we change major memes to memes i dont think we need an other memes section?
  • 0:33: Pokemonfreak777: since we would just list what we think is notable enough to be there without the distinction
  • 0:33: Rickhenrique: a sub-section should work for it, to resume and explain a bit for the other memes
  • 0:33: FunniiXD: this could work but its very debatable on what's considered a minor meme most times
  • 0:34: Rickhenrique: (aka. the X.Y section things n' stuff)
  • 0:34: Rickhenrique: fair enough
  • 0:34: Spottygamester: That's what I was thinking.
  • 0:35: Spottygamester: It would be like:

Memes 

  Other memes
  • 0:35: Spottygamester: If that makes sense.
  • 0:35: Rickhenrique: welp, it does make sense
  • 0:35: Rickhenrique: as since it format better and organized for each sections to explain
  • 0:36: FunniiXD: yeah since theres way more smaller memes that werent used that much that should be noted
  • 0:36: FunniiXD: bowflex is an example
  • 0:36: Rickhenrique: or Loss
  • 0:37: Spottygamester: Regarding the summary section, do we think this is the best way to handle major events during a season?
  • 0:37: Pokemonfreak777: i guess i kinda see how that would work. i still think sorting between memes and other memes is really subjective but i guesss thats fine
  • 0:39: Rickhenrique: I definivelly would think that yes, mostly in case of those major memes being also important for the channel as a whole
  • 0:39: Spottygamester: I meant the part that covered the history.
  • 0:40: Spottygamester: Unless that's what you were referring to.
  • 0:40: Pokemonfreak777: i think it looks fine for season 1 at least. depending on the season and its "major events" maybe the subsections would be different but otherwise i think the format mostly covers the season
  • 0:40: Spottygamester: I do wonder if it should be titled "History" like in Turret's draft.
  • 0:41: FunniiXD: honestly no
  • 0:41: Rickhenrique: yeah, that was I meant ngl
  • 0:41: Spottygamester: Alright, cool.
  • 0:42: Pokemonfreak777: Yeah I think summary is better
  • 0:43: Pokemonfreak777: History to me reminds me of the history sections of rips so it feels weird to use it here
  • 0:44: Spottygamester: True.
  • 0:44: Spottygamester: I'm fine with calling it "Summary" as well.
  • 0:45: Rickhenrique: same, altho it feels a bit right to change to "History" in some way, even being fine with both options
  • 0:46: Spottygamester: So what we've decided so far is:
Arthur's Season 1 draft will be the standard for formatting season articles.
The "Major memes" section in the draft will be changed to "Memes" and feature an "Other memes" sub-section.
  • 0:47: Spottygamester: Is there anything else regarding this you guys think should be changed? Here's the draft again so you can look through it.

User:Arthur10123/Season 1

We will make the formatting seen on Arthur's Season 1 draft the standard formatting for season articles.
For season articles, we will have a "Memes" section detailing major memes used in the season being covered, which will also have a sub-section titled "Other memes" in it.

Please vote on each topic.

1. 2.

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1. 2.

7-0-0
7-0-0

1. 2.

  • 0:58: Spottygamester: I'll update it.
  • 0:59: FunniiXD: I noticed that tito dick has been featured in 25+ rips. I was thinking of making this suggestion just about requesting the category but then I thought about how many other characters have been featured enough to get categories.
  • 0:59: FunniiXD: so basically i'm requesting a "Rips featuring Tito Dick" category and also the discussion of other potential character categories
  • 1:00: FunniiXD: similar to rips featuring smol nozomi or robbie rotten
  • 1:00: Spottygamester: I think it's fine.
  • 1:01: Spottygamester: Tito's appeared a few times in lore as well, so it would make sense.
  • 1:01: FunniiXD: i remember there was a rips featuring felix the cat category but it was deleted
  • 1:03: Pokemonfreak777: i think the tito dick category is probably fine, since it at least fulfills the single source meme criteria and is notable enough in the lore. as for other characters, i also think that they should at minimum meet the single source as well, cuz honestly the way i see them they are just an additional source for a meme
  • 1:04: Spottygamester: That's how I feel about it as well.
  • 1:05: Rickhenrique: same, since it feels debatable if each is actually servible for the category, or not
  • 1:05: Pokemonfreak777: although i think that would also mean that we should put some of the character subcategories in their meme supercategory
  • 1:05: FunniiXD: another category I had in mind is "Rips featuring President Haltmann" since i dont believe that exists
  • 1:06: Pokemonfreak777: eg: put the wood man category in the wood man stage category
  • 1:06: Spottygamester: I don't think that would be too bad.
  • 1:07: Spottygamester: I've always seen the characters as sub-memes to something else.
  • 1:07: Pokemonfreak777: does haltmann reach 25 appearances?
  • 1:07: Pokemonfreak777: i assume the ccc episodes accounts for most of them
  • 1:08: Spottygamester: There are a few other rips that feature him as well.
  • 1:08: Spottygamester: Though we're focusing on Tito Dick during this topic.
  • 1:09: Spottygamester: Personally I think it's fine for him to have a category.
  • 1:09: Rickhenrique: I think the same way, since it's appears alot in consideration, so it works well
  • 1:10: Spottygamester: I'll move on to the vote then.
  • 1:10: Spottygamester: ===

We will make a rips featuring category for the character Tito Dick.

6-0-0

  • 1:12: FunniiXD: i'll start working on the category soon
  • 1:12: Spottygamester: Cool.
  • 1:12: Spottygamester: We've been going on for an hour now. I want to try and discuss another one of Arthur's topics and then we'll see how we all feel after that.
  • 1:13: Spottygamester:
Rename the event category "Reboot" to "SilvaGunner: Rebooted", and rename the playlist category "SilvaGunner: Rebooted" to "SilvaGunner: Rebooted (playlist)" (taking after the event and playlist categories for The SilvaGunner Spooktacular Halloween Horror Special: Part III).

I actually proposed this in the wiki chat a while ago, but it never went anywhere. despite the page for the event no longer being called "Reboot" since 2017, the event's category still has that name, and I think this should be changed for consistency. we have a prior example of this kind of situation with Spooktacular Part III, so I think we should use that as the basis for this.
Reboot
SilvaGunner: Rebooted
The SilvaGunner Spooktacular Halloween Horror Special: Part III
The SiIvaGunner Spooktacular Halloween Horror Special Part III (playlist)

  • 1:13: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i agree with this
  • 1:13: Spottygamester: I agree with this. It's weirdly inconsistent with the way it's labeled on the wiki at the moment.
  • 1:14: FunniiXD: offtopic but if I go offline again you can just do the votes without me
  • 1:14: Rickhenrique: for first, I feel debatable, but it feels right to changed, so it organized better
  • 1:14: FunniiXD: also yeah i agree
  • 1:14: Rickhenrique: Alright, be good
  • 1:14: Spottygamester: Sure.
  • 1:14: FunniiXD: most likely will be saying yes to them anyway
  • 1:15: Spottygamester: I feel the way the reboot is currently labelled is a leftover from the early days of the wiki when we didn't really have any formatting standards or cared much about consistency.
  • 1:17: Spottygamester: Anyway, do we agree with doing this or is there anything regarding it you feel should be pointed out?
  • 1:17: Rickhenrique: welp, better agreeding
  • 1:18: Spottygamester: I'll move on to the vote then.
  • 1:18: Spottygamester: ===

We will rename the event category "Reboot" to "SilvaGunner: Rebooted", and rename the playlist category "SilvaGunner: Rebooted" to "SilvaGunner: Rebooted (playlist)".

4-1-0 

Move the "Uploads" navbox in the lists of uploads to the top of the pages instead of the very bottom, for ease of navigation.

this had some approval in the wiki chat, but Ironwestie suggested that I bring this to a moot since it would affect a lot of pages. simply put, it's just tedious having to scroll down the whole list to reach the navbox every time, especially in longer lists, so I think we should do this for convenience. Category:Lists of uploads

  • 1:21: Pokemonfreak777: I'm fine with this as well
  • 1:21: Rickhenrique: that works well about it, since for later uploads it becaming more and more long about it
  • 1:22: Pokemonfreak777: It would be more convenient when creating the pages as well
  • 1:22: Spottygamester: Agreed.
  • 1:22: Spottygamester: It's pretty tedious to use in it's current position like Arthur says.
  • 1:23: Rickhenrique: also, offtopic on this, but the list from that category in question should be better organizared by numbers than really by "2" on this case, but that's only me
  • 1:24: Spottygamester: I'll start the vote then.
  • 1:24: Rickhenrique: other than that, the main thing definivelly better go to the top for less tedious, specially in consideration that theres no sections
  • 1:24: Rickhenrique: alright, good
  • 1:24: Spottygamester: ===

We will move the "Uploads" navbox in the lists of uploads to the top of the pages instead of the very bottom.

4-0-0 

Propose the creation of a Toby Fox navbox.

this was also met with approval in the wiki chat, but I'm bringing this here as per our navbox creation guidelines. my idea for this navbox is that it would only include works with direct contributions by Toby Fox (music, writing, game development, etc.). we can use Wikipedia's list of his works as a basis for this. [1]

  • 1:27: Pokemonfreak777: I'm okay with this honestly
  • 1:27: Rickhenrique: being very fair, this works well honestly, since theres enough for a navbox about it
  • 1:28: Spottygamester: I agree with it. Toby's works have had a lot of use on the channel.
  • 1:28: Rickhenrique: the one thing that I got into my mind, is consider the name "Toby Fox" for the abled Navbox should be in comic sans font ngl, considering how it would be fitting
  • 1:28: Pokemonfreak777: Also slightly related, our approved Composers list needs updating because some were added to the navbox section but not the list
  • 1:28: Spottygamester: Which ones?
  • 1:30: Pokemonfreak777: I think love live and vocaloid got moved to that section
  • 1:30: Rickhenrique: Series navboxes § Musicians
  • 1:30: Rickhenrique: it did it from here
  • 1:30: Rickhenrique: make sense, since it's consider more of a composer thing about it
  • 1:30: Spottygamester: Love Live isn't really a composer though. It's a franchise.
  • 1:30: Rickhenrique: good point
  • 1:31: Spottygamester: But this is getting off topic.
  • 1:31: Pokemonfreak777: In that case it should be moved out to a different section
  • 1:31: Pokemonfreak777: But yeah, agree on Toby fox navbox
  • 1:31: Rickhenrique: Same
  • 1:33: Spottygamester: I think the only concern I have with the Toby Fox navbox is if it will have too much overlap with the Undertale navbox, though the former isn't going to be listing UT fan games like the latter.
  • 1:34: Spottygamester: Any other thoughts on it before we move on to the vote?
  • 1:35: Rickhenrique: mix feelings, but I don't think it would be a major problem about it for now
  • 1:36: Pokemonfreak777: i guess just to clarify this navbox would also include games where he composed at least one track right? so pokemon sword/shield and scarlet/violet would be here
  • 1:36: Rickhenrique: yes
  • 1:37: Rickhenrique: the navbox will be all of his work about it, from Homestuck to games that he did it contribuited minorly
  • 1:37: Rickhenrique: as well as albums for that matter, like Megalo Strike Back one
  • 1:37: Spottygamester: It would yeah.
  • 1:38: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i dont think the overlap is as big of a concern then. based on the list from above it seems like there are quite a few games not in the undertale/deltarune navbox that he composed and are on the channel
  • 1:39: Spottygamester: Fair point.
  • 1:39: Spottygamester: Anyway, I'll start the vote now.
  • 1:39: Spottygamester: ===

We will make a composer navbox for Toby Fox.

5-0-0

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