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*Spottygamester - Category for rips made by the original composers.
*Spottygamester - Category for rips with AI generated vocals.
*funnii - Make a character page for the 8-Bit-Beast.
*Buildershed - Fix broken links to Cruel Angel's Thesis on wiki and make an article dedicated to the meme
*Buildershed - Fix the discord link

Spottygamester pinneda message to this channel. See allpinned messages. — November 4, 2023 at 23:02 

Spottygamester - Category for rips made by the original composers.

This is something cookiefonster suggested to me a while ago. There are a few rips on the channel that are known to be made by the original composer(s) of the track being ripped, and it's happen enough times in the channel's history that it warrants it's own category.

  • 0:09: Spottygamester: I think the category should be called something like "Rips made by original composers" or something similar.
  • 0:09: Spottygamester: Not sure how to word it in the best way.
  • 0:09: Pokemonfreak777: will this be rips only, or will it include cases where an arrangement (SGFR/KFAD/etc.) and rip(s) are by the same person as well
  • 0:10: Spottygamester: I imagine it would only be the rips.
  • 0:11: Pokemonfreak777: so the fearful medley from rip^2 and its associated playstation rips would not be in this correct?
  • 0:11: Spottygamester: Since SGFR/KFAD arrangements of rips made by the original ripper isn't as notable, at least to me anyway.
  • 0:11: Spottygamester: It wouldn't, yeah.
  • 0:11: Pokemonfreak777: ok
  • 0:12: Pokemonfreak777: i think that clarification would need to be made so we dont accidentally add those, but otherwise im okay with this
  • 0:13: Minindo: i support this category but yeah it definitely needs to have the best possible wording
  • 0:13: Spottygamester: It's worth noting as well that we don't consider SGFR tracks to be rips in the first place.
  • 0:17: Pokemonfreak777: i also know theres this rip that should be in the list but isnt at the moment Vibin' with the girls (Unused) - LazuLight: By Your Side
  • 0:18: Spottygamester: Sorry about that.
  • 0:18: Spottygamester: Anyway.
  • 0:18: Spottygamester: Regarding the topic, I think something like this might work?
Category:Rips made by original composers
Rips that were made by the ripped songs' original composers.
  • 0:18: Minindo: lmaoooo dude fuckin retconned
  • 0:18: Billysheddis: yes
  • 0:19: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i think that would work
  • 0:20: Pokemonfreak777: although after that discussion (what discussion?) we probably have to double check the list to make sure that every rip added has a public credit somewhere
  • 0:22: Spottygamester: There are a few that are known to be publicly credited.
  • 0:22: Minindo: im wondering if putting "the" or "their" in the middle there would help or hurt
  • 0:22: Minindo: "Rips made by the original composers", "Rips made by their original composers"
  • 0:23: Spottygamester: I think the latter sounds better.
  • 0:24: Spottygamester: So should we go for this regarding the category's name and description?
Category:Rips made by original composers
Rips made by their original composers

We will make a category for rips made by their original composers. It will be called "Rips made by original composers" and will have the following category description: 

Rips made by their original composers.

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Category for rips with AI generated vocals.

I feel that there have now been enough rips on the channel which involve having original AI vocals that it warrants a category at this point. I personally think it should be called something like "Rips with AI vocals" and would be treated similar to the "Rips with pitch-shifting" category, in the sense that it seems more like a type of rip or tool used in a rip, rather then an actual meme by itself.

I made a playlist a while ago feature the ones that use AI vocals and lyrics that are mostly exclussive to the rips themselves. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL39SijdVzlvzoEjlciWKEwgTrJFPKfX3t

although side note i would assume to make this the vocals were "re-generated" with diy vocals of the zakk james videos as a base

  • 0:41: Spottygamester: I think a good way to tell that a rip is using AI over sentence-mixing is how clear the syllables of the spoken vocals are. For example, this rip uses lyrics completely different to the original FNAF track and the syllables are so clear that it's pretty easy to tell it's using AI over being sentenced-mixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz2A_heUBKs 

Rips with original vocals and lyrics that were generated by AI.
  • 0:47: Spottygamester: Maybe "made with AI" would sound better.
  • 0:48: Pokemonfreak777: i think there needs to be specificity that the ripper (presumably) did the AI generation?
  • 0:49: Spottygamester: That's what the mention of "original ocals and lyrics" is trying to say.
  • 0:49: Pokemonfreak777: cuz i still think the zakk james videos fall under that definition
  • 0:50: Minindo: it feels weird having message in a bottle be the one exception but i guess it does make sense?
  • 0:50: Spottygamester: Perhaps this?
Rips with original vocals and lyrics that were made with AI that are exclusive to the rips.
  • 0:50: Spottygamester: It's kind of confusing to read though.
  • 0:51: Minindo: yeah this is convoluted wording
  • 0:51: Spottygamester: I get what you mean, but sometimes one off exceptions like that just happen.
  • 0:51: Minindo: yeah ig
  • 0:52: Pokemonfreak777: "Rips with rip-exclusive, AI-generated vocals and lyrics", maybe?
  • 0:52: Spottygamester: That might work better?
  • 0:53: Spottygamester: It gets the point across more.
  • 0:53: Spottygamester: Think it should say "Rips with rip-exclusive vocals and lyrics made with AI."
  • 0:54: Pokemonfreak777: sure that would work too
  • 0:54: Minindo: i think “and lyrics” would be redundant
  • 0:55: Spottygamester: Good point, since the vocals are what's saying them anyway.
  • 0:56: Spottygamester: How do we feel about this now?
Rips with rip-exclusive vocals made with AI.
  • 0:56: Pokemonfreak777: yeah that looks good
  • 0:56: Billysheddis: still
  • 0:56: Billysheddis: maintaining my position
  • 0:56: Billysheddis:
  • 0:57: Minindo: sure i guess. hopefully people don’t misunderstand this as requiring all of the vocals to be created for the rip, only some
  • 0:57: Spottygamester: I think it's fine, but if we run into problems we can always change it.
  • 0:58: Spottygamester: For the category name, I think "Rips with original AI vocals" would work.
  • 0:59: Spottygamester: Since it still fits the category description.

00:00]Spottygamester: Any other thoughts before we vote on it?

===
We will make the category "Rips with original AI vocals" with the following description: 

Rips with rip-exclusive vocals made with AI.

5-1-0

  • 1:07: Spottygamester: Will say that I don't usually label people's positions in these when they don't respond to these votes even when I know what there thoughts are, it's just an exception in this case.
  • 1:07: Spottygamester: Anyway, next topic.
  • 1:08: Spottygamester: Our next topic is from @funnii, though I don't know if they're online at the moment.
  • 1:09: FunniiXD: my bad i was busy just there
  • 1:09: Spottygamester: Hello funnii.
  • 1:09: FunniiXD: hello
  • 1:09: Spottygamester: You can discuss your moot pitch in here now.
  • 1:11: Minindo: Yeah I understand and thanks for considering me support because I would have, I just had to go for a bit
  • 1:11: Spottygamester: No problem.
  • 1:12: FunniiXD: I believe the 8-Bit-Beast should have a character page at this point. I see him as not only the personification for the haunted house meme, but also has a recurring and sometimes major presence in halloween events. (also side note i do wanna point out i mean the 8-bit-beast character and not the actual composer)
  • 1:12: Spottygamester: Completely agree.
  • 1:12: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i agree with this
  • 1:13: Spottygamester: He's deserved it for a while now, to the point where it kind of feels overdue.
  • 1:13: Spottygamester: I think we can mention that he gets his name from the song's composer somewhere in the article.
  • 1:14: Pokemonfreak777: add him to the list of characters that should get a page already (i think joke explainer page is still on the docket lol)
  • 1:15: Spottygamester: Yeah, that one needs to be made as well.
  • 1:16: Pokemonfreak777: also wont discuss at length here since its not a topic, but just a thought, i think takane should probably also get a page
  • 1:16: Spottygamester: We should probably mention that the Beast's original design originated from this album cover as well. https://ap0c.bandcamp.com/album/8-bit-beasts-haunted-house-remastered
  • 1:16: Spottygamester:
Artwork by: Shyabeetus ( shyabeetus.bandcamp.com )
  • 1:17: Spottygamester: I agree as well, but that should be saved for another time as you say.
  • 1:17: Spottygamester: But yeah, I don't think there's much else to discuss with the topic of creating the Beast's character page, unless there's anything else that needs to be brought up.
  • 1:18: Spottygamester: I'll do the vote now then.
  • 1:19: Spottygamester: ===

We will make a character article on the 8-Bit Beast.

4-0-0

  • 1:21: Spottygamester: Okay then, our last two topic today are from @Buildershed. You have the floor now.
  • 1:22: Billysheddis: ok
  • 1:22: Billysheddis: My first proposal is to Fix broken links to Cruel Angel's Thesis on wiki and make an article dedicated to the meme
  • 1:24: Billysheddis: A while back, I'm guessing somebody in an older moot suggested to separate Cruel Angel's Thesis from the Neon Genesis Evangelion section of "References to Animation/Anime" and tried to create a category for rips using Cruel Angel's Thesis
  • 1:24: Billysheddis: While a Category was created
  • 1:24: Billysheddis: Most, if not all links to "Cruel Angel's Thesis" mentioned in a rip on the wiki are dead links
  • 1:26: Pokemonfreak777: Yes, the plan is to create the page for "A Cruel Angel's Thesis", since we agreed to make it a meme (hence the category). It's just that no one has gotten around to it. This isn't unique to "A Cruel Angel's Thesis" btw
  • 1:26: Billysheddis: I'm guessing somebody must have fixed the error on the "List of Rips referencing anime" page because now the category link is blue
  • 1:26: Billysheddis: but the link is still red
  • 1:27: Spottygamester: Yeah that got changed a while ago.
  • 1:27: Billysheddis: yeah
  • 1:27: Spottygamester: Will confess that there's a few other instances on the wiki like that. With an existing category on a meme/source, but the article for it doesn't exist at the moment.
  • 1:27: Billysheddis: Basically, for the time being, most of the dead links could be made to direct to the Category page
  • 1:27: Billysheddis: but at some point, an article could be made
  • 1:28: Pokemonfreak777: thats because we realized that the dead link doesnt help for users looking for instances of the source's use on the channel so we changed it to the current format
  • 1:28: Pokemonfreak777: from a non-logged in user perspective, they wont see the dead link but should be able to access the category. for editors, its simply a reminder that the page should get made at some point
  • 1:29: Spottygamester: I can't speak for everyone on the wiki here, but I think some of us tend to get ideas that are agreed upon by the majority of wiki users, but tend to be busy with other things relating to both the wiki and irl that we kind of forget somethings from time to time, with cases like this being an example of that.
  • 1:30: Spottygamester: Not trying to call out anyone specifically with this, since stuff like this applies to me as well.
  • 1:30: Spottygamester: That and it's a common human trait.
  • 1:31: Pokemonfreak777: yeah ill say this. if you see a dead link like that, feel free to make the article if you can. personally, i refrain from making them because i dont feel knowledgable enough about them (and i have irl stuff to do)
  • 1:31: Billysheddis: ok
  • 1:32: Billysheddis: Shall we vote?
  • 1:32: Spottygamester: Sure.
  • 1:32: Billysheddis: Lets vote on primarily fixing dead links to redirect to the category page atm until an article can get made
  • 1:32: Billysheddis: that's what I see as the realistic option right now
  • 1:32: Pokemonfreak777: oh wait is that the vote?
  • 1:33: Spottygamester: I thought we were voting on making the article itself.
  • 1:33: Billysheddis: But
  • 1:33: Pokemonfreak777: i actually dont think we should do that cuz it makes it more difficult to create the article later
  • 1:33: Billysheddis: Ok
  • 1:33: Billysheddis: Vote on the original instead
  • 1:34: Spottygamester: ===

We will make an article for "A Cruel Angel's Thesis".

5-0-0

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