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  • 23:00: Spottygamester: Opening this up now.
  • 23:01: Pokemonfreak777: hello
  • 23:01: FunniiXD: hi
  • 23:01: Spottygamester: As always I'll wait a bit to let people join.
  • 23:02: Pokemonfreak777: btw since we weren't able to really discuss the multi-source meme proposal further, we should probably table that to next month
  • 23:02: Spottygamester: I think we could try and discuss it in here.
  • 23:02: Pokemonfreak777: sure that works too
  • 23:03: CYLITM: Hi
  • 23:03: Spottygamester: Just so that we have some dicussion on it, since it's been on the back burner for ages now. Though that's entirly up to you though.
  • 23:04: Pokemonfreak777: i have no updates on it myself, but i do have a related topic that could be discussed
  • 23:04: CYLITM: I feel like it always gets delayed though. What are the topics for today?
  • 23:04: Spottygamester: Will post that just now.
  • 23:04: CYLITM: K
  • 23:05: Spottygamester: Here's today's agenda:
* Pokemonfreak777 - Alternate proposal for defining multi-source memes (with Spottygamester)
* ZachHasArrived - Add a YTPMV category for rips
- Revisit series navboxes' determination from July 2022 Moot
- Split up Template:Navbox series comic book into the following navboxes suggested by User:Peacock Roy
- Creating a new category for SGFR arrangements. Could possibly have KFAD arrangements in it as well, but needs to be discussed.
- Category for interactive games and mods that were made for SiIvaGunner.
* ZachHasArrived - Create a character page for the Joke-Explainer 7000
* ZachHasArrived - Create a "Rips referencing "Athletic Doctor"" category

Spottygamester pinned a message to this channel. See all pinned messages. — June 2, 2023 at 00:05

  • 23:05: Spottygamester: Yeah, it's quite a lot.
  • 23:05: Spottygamester: I'm not expecting we'll get through all of them today, but we'll see how it goes.
  • 23:06: Spottygamester: I'll wait a little bit more before starting just to see if any last minute joines happen.
  • 23:06: FunniiXD: im surprised joke explainer doesnt have a page yet
  • 23:06: CYLITM: same
  • 23:07: FunniiXD: i wanna talk about joke explainer real quick i do believe she should have a character page she does have a major presence on the channel
  • 23:07: Spottygamester: That's fine, but we'll have to save it for when that topic get's discussed.
  • 23:08: FunniiXD: yeah apologies for jumping quickly to that topic
  • 23:08: Spottygamester: It's alright.
  • 23:09: Spottygamester: I think that's enough time. You may begin @pokemonfreak777. I will confess that part of the reason why this topic kept getting delayed was because neither of us had the time to discuss it between ourselves in dms, or we just kept forgeting about it (though that part is mainly my fault).
  • 23:11: Pokemonfreak777: ok this will be kinda segmented cuz i dont have a thing prepared but here goes

so the current proposal is this (hasnt changed since we first discussed it): User:Pokemonfreak777/Miscellaneous Criteria#Alternate proposal with Spottygamester

  • 23:12: Pokemonfreak777: since then we've had two memes added under these rules (kinda)

big time rush (last month)
os baroes (also last month, but also debateable in terms of "multisource")

  • 23:13: Pokemonfreak777: there are 2 others that im considereing (off the top of my head)

psy
misha

  • 23:13: Pokemonfreak777: basically, do we think that the current proposal is sufficient to define a multisource meme? or do we want to add to the requirements?
  • 23:14: CYLITM: I think it's enough
  • 23:14: CYLITM: Minor adjustments may have to be made though.
  • 23:15: Pokemonfreak777: yeah thats part of the related topic that im sorta hesitant to bring into this cuz its another big (maybe?) topic
  • 23:15: Spottygamester: Posting the full purposed critira in here for archival purposes and just so others can see it more easily.
* Memes must have at least 1 associated single-source meme. (Modified in March Moot)
* Memes must meet at least 1 of the following criteria. (criteria/thresholds will be adjusted if necessary)
  * Depth: Meme has at least 1 song/track that is used in at least 40 rips.
  * Breadth: Meme has at least 3 songs/tracks that are used in at least 20 rips.
  * Any submemes of the meme can be counted toward the criteria.
* Memes must also meet at least 2 of the following criteria. (criteria/thresholds will be adjusted if necessary)
 * Meme has at least 1 additional song/track that is used in at least 30 rips.
 * Meme is associated with a character from the King for a Day Tournament or King for Another Day Tournament.
 * Meme is associated with a ripped game on the channel. For artists, the game(s) can be real, but otherwise the game(s) must be fake. (Modified in March Moot)
  * Meme is associated with a frequently ripped game on the channel.
   * The specifics of what constitutes a frequently ripped game will be discussed further at a future moot.
 * Meme is heavily associated with the channel, either via the channel's albums or lore.
  • 23:17: CYLITM: not bad
  • 23:18: Spottygamester: There's also this spreadsheet that pokemonfreak made that shows how this ruleset would apply to some of the current multisource memes and ones that are purposed to be ones. It's a little outdated though.
  • 23:21: Pokemonfreak777: i guess i could try live adding os baroes to test it out lol
  • 23:21: Spottygamester: The thing about os baroes is that it's more of a specific style of rip rather then any specific song by them.
  • 23:22: Spottygamester: I feel like that's the main reason why I don't really see them as a multisource meme.
  • 23:22: CYLITM: exactly, it's multisource but one style of instruments
  • 23:22: Spottygamester: Don't you mean it's not multisource by song?
  • 23:23: CYLITM: ?
  • 23:23: Spottygamester: Oh wait, never mind, I get what you mean.
  • 23:23: Spottygamester: Anyway.
  • 23:24: Spottygamester: To get back on topic, do you guys think this set of critiria is worth adding in it's current state? Or are there issues with it?
  • 23:25: Spottygamester: Since this is a very large set of critira to implement.
  • 23:26: CYLITM: I think it's fine but I don't hear any other opinions.
  • 23:27: Spottygamester: It's very quiet today yeah.
  • 23:28: CYLITM: @zach seems to be the only other one in the thread.
  • 23:29: Spottygamester: I mean, the others might just have their status set to invisible.
  • 23:29: CYLITM: oh yeah
  • 23:29: Pokemonfreak777: i guess if there are no objections we can move this to the manual of style?
  • 23:30: Spottygamester: How about this
  • 23:30: CYLITM: Sure but I don't know if we should vote will so few people.
  • 23:30: Spottygamester: We move it to the manual of style, but we implement a grace period before it comes into full effect?
  • 23:30: Pokemonfreak777: along with the single source criteria (although thats related to the current topic kinda)
  • 23:31: Pokemonfreak777: sure
  • 23:31: CYLITM: Why not, then people can give opinions before it goes into effect.
  • 23:31: Spottygamester: Yeah.
  • 23:31: Spottygamester: That might end up causing more discussion on it without the need for it to be solely a moot topic.
  • 23:31: Pokemonfreak777: maybe make an announcement about it on the forums, cuz i think some people only look there
  • 23:32: Spottygamester: I'll definetly post about it in the ⁠announcements channel in here.
  • 23:32: CYLITM: Definitely
  • 23:33: Spottygamester: I think this is the best way of handling it at this point.
  • 23:33: Pokemonfreak777: ill see if i can fully update the spreadsheet to make it a better resource
  • 23:33: Spottygamester: Sure.
  • 23:34: Spottygamester: I'll just set up the vote. Give me a sec.
  • 23:37: Spottygamester: ===

We will move pokemonfreak's currently purposed critiria for multisource memes onto the manual of style with a grace period of a month before it will come into full effect. During the grace period, we will be open to suggestions for changes on the critiria.

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  • 23:38: Spottygamester: I hope this ends up encouraging discussion on this.
  • 23:38: Spottygamester: Anyway, let's move on to the next topic.
  • 23:39: Spottygamester: ZachHasArrived isn't here, so I'll let you discuss your next purposal @pokemonfreak777.
  • 23:39: Pokemonfreak777: ok
  • 23:40: Pokemonfreak777: so my next proposal isnt mine exactly, its actually maggie's but she cant be here
  • 23:41: CYLITM: ok
  • 23:41: Pokemonfreak777: basically its to split up the comics navbox into smaller ones
  • 23:41: Pokemonfreak777: this is what it looks like right now {{Navbox series comic book}}
  • 23:42: Pokemonfreak777: and the proposed splits User:Peacock Roy/sandbox
  • 23:42: Pokemonfreak777: oh wait i might have skipped over my other topic whoops hold on
  • 23:43: CYLITM: can i respond or should i wait?
  • 23:43: Spottygamester: It's okay, we can discuss this one first if you want.
  • 23:43: Pokemonfreak777: yeah lets do that
  • 23:43: CYLITM: k
  • 23:45: Spottygamester: Looking at Maggie's suggested splits, I think it's fine overall. Only one I'm a little mixed on is The Adam's Family having a navbox due to World Goth Day, though that event did have a small focus on that one recent Netflix adaptaion of the series, so I guess it sort of counts.
  • 23:45: Spottygamester: It makes a lot of sense to split Marvel and DC as well.
  • 23:46: CYLITM: not a bad idea but for now i think we should hold off
  • 23:46: CYLITM: mainly because of what's left over
  • 23:46: CYLITM: dc and marvel splitting up i agree but the rest aren't big enough to be seperate
  • 23:47: Spottygamester: I'd honestly agree with Garfield being split as well.
  • 23:47: Spottygamester: It has ten games of the series ripped on the channel in some way, plus one fan game.
  • 23:48: Pokemonfreak777: something that ive seen done in recent navboxes is linking to any relevant subnavbox (the link not the navbox itself) so we could do that?
  • 23:49: Spottygamester: Sorry, but what examples are there of that happening?
  • 23:49: Spottygamester: I'm not sure if I've seen them myself.
  • 23:50: Pokemonfreak777: might not be on this wiki, im not sure. but theres a thing where the navbox will link to some series and the link leads to that series navbox
  • 23:50: Spottygamester: Hmm
  • 23:50: Spottygamester: I'm not sure if I'd want to do something like that.
  • 23:51: CYLITM: same
  • 23:51: CYLITM: that's on the wiki im pretty sure
  • 23:51: CYLITM: i forget which one it was though
  • 23:51: CYLITM: super mario or something
  • 23:51: Spottygamester: I will say that I'm fine with some of the comic series not being part of a navbox.
  • 23:52: Spottygamester: I'd rather have navboxes that are focused on one specific series over having one that covers an entire medium.
  • 23:53: CYLITM: i agree but in this case the seperate ones have too little
  • 23:53: Pokemonfreak777: ok yeah youre right mario did this
  • 23:53: CYLITM: maybe if we split it into marvel, dc, and all others
  • 23:53: Pokemonfreak777: it used to have the actual navboxes but has since changed to simply link to them
  • 23:54: Spottygamester: I'll also just comment that having navboxes link to other navboxes is an entirly seperate subject that's not related to this one.
  • 23:54: CYLITM: that's better honestly
  • 23:55: Pokemonfreak777: yeah i just brought that up cuz it could be a solution to the whats left navbox
  • 23:55: Spottygamester: I get that, but it should be discussed at a different point.
  • 23:55: Pokemonfreak777: yeah thats fine
  • 23:56: Pokemonfreak777: i honestly think this should be discussed with more people
  • 23:57: Spottygamester: Do you mean the comics navbox purposal or the idea of linking navboxes to other ones?
  • 23:57: Pokemonfreak777: both
  • 23:57: Spottygamester: I see.
  • 23:57: Spottygamester: I can skip to the next topic you have if you'd like.
  • 23:58: CYLITM: why not
  • 23:58: CYLITM: we have two minutes left
  • 23:58: Spottygamester: We can go on longer if you guys want.
  • 23:58: Pokemonfreak777: lets skip to the joke-explainer topic since that one should be quicker
  • 23:58: CYLITM: yeah
  • 23:58: Spottygamester: Sure.
  • 23:58: Spottygamester: Wait.
  • 23:58: Pokemonfreak777: although zachhasarrived isnt here
  • 23:59: Pokemonfreak777: zachhasn'tarrived
  • 23:59: Spottygamester: Yeah, I was just about to say that.
  • 23:59: Spottygamester: I don't think he's available for this moot.
  • 23:59: Pokemonfreak777: how about lets go over your topics spotty? i think they look quick
  • 23:59: Spottygamester: Sure.
  • 0:00: Spottygamester: I'll go over my second purposal first since it's quicker.
  • 0:00: Spottygamester:
Category for interactive games and mods that were made for SiIvaGunner.
  • 0:01: Spottygamester: I think this one is self-explanatory, but it would include any original game or mod that has been official part of the SiIvaGunner channel.
  • 0:01: CYLITM: i don't see why not
  • 0:01: CYLITM: it's a good idea
  • 0:02: Spottygamester: I feel like there's been enough of these things over the years that it warrants it.
  • 0:02: CYLITM: unrelated but i think one for siiva official ones too if there isn't already
  • 0:02: Pokemonfreak777: so this would include things like the kolo terrorita game, minecraft mod, arg games, etc. right?
  • 0:03: Spottygamester: Yes.
  • 0:03: CYLITM: ok
  • 0:03: Spottygamester: The totino's mania mod would count as well.
  • 0:03: CYLITM: then yes
  • 0:03: Pokemonfreak777: yeah im okay with this. theres been a lot, some of which i think are hidden in userpages as well
  • 0:03: Spottygamester: I think the fnf mods might count as well, but I'm not sure on that.
  • 0:03: CYLITM: i'd count it
  • 0:04: Spottygamester: Since they are officially released through the channel.
  • 0:04: Spottygamester: Though this means that they'd also be in the category.
  • 0:04: Spottygamester: I'm also not sure what to call the category though.
  • 0:04: CYLITM: do the ng ones count?
  • 0:04: Spottygamester: Which ones?
  • 0:04: Spottygamester: Do you mean the Harlem Shake one?
  • 0:05: CYLITM: the ones on the siivagunner newgrounds account
  • 0:05: CYLITM: including the kolo terrorita
  • 0:05: CYLITM: but the other minor ones too
  • 0:05: CYLITM: or am i misremembering
  • 0:05: CYLITM: oh i am sorry
  • 0:06: Pokemonfreak777: im a little iffy on fnf mods being included but not sure why
  • 0:07: Spottygamester: Is it the concern they'd bloat the category?
  • 0:07: CYLITM: they could have a subcategory
  • 0:07: Spottygamester: I mean, we could just make the Friday Night Funkin category a sub category of it. Along side it's mods playlist.
  • 0:08: Pokemonfreak777: not sure. they just dont "feel" like a true mod but like technically they are
  • 0:08: Pokemonfreak777: yeah this might be better
  • 0:08: Spottygamester: They are interactive media/games that were released through the channel, so it would be weird to not count them imo.
  • 0:08: Pokemonfreak777: fair enough
  • 0:09: CYLITM: agree
  • 0:09: Spottygamester: What do you think we should call the category though?
  • 0:10: Spottygamester: I was thinking of just calling it "Games", but I wonder if that would cause confusion with the playlist categories.
  • 0:10: Pokemonfreak777: SiIvaGunner games/mods?
  • 0:10: Spottygamester: That sounds better.
  • 0:11: CYLITM: siivagunner friday night funkin mods
  • 0:11: CYLITM: for subcategory
  • 0:11: Spottygamester: Though I think we'd have to call it "SiIvaGunner games & mods" since I'm not sure if using a "/" character would mess it up due to the way wiki formatting works.
  • 0:11: Pokemonfreak777: sure
  • 0:12: Spottygamester: I think it makes more sense to just make the existing playlist categories be part of the games category, since creating a new one just to hold those two would come off as rather redundant.
  • 0:13: CYLITM: ok sure
  • 0:13: Spottygamester: Think I'll stick to calling it "SiIvaGunner games and mods" since that feels more consistant with the other wiki formatting trends.
  • 0:14: Spottygamester: I'll start the vote in a bit unless anyone has anything else to say.
  • 0:16: CYLITM: Let's raft ride on over to the votes.
  • 0:18: Spottygamester: ===

We will create a new category called "SiIvaGunner games and mods". This category will contain all games and mods that were officially released through the channel.

In addition to this, the categories for the playlists Friday Night Funkin' and Friday Night Funkin' Mods will be labeled as subcategories of this new one.

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