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  • 21:00: Ironwestie: Welcome to the moot!
  • 21:00: Spottygamester: Hello.
  • 21:00: Pokemonfreak777: hello
  • 21:00: Coolbeans Cruz: hello guys. unfortunately I won’t be too active here today
  • 21:00: Mick the Squirrel: 👋
  • 21:01: Ironwestie: we'll wait another 2 minutes for folks to trickle in
  • 21:01: Ironwestie: The docket for today:

    - MSL925 the fox - A page for more trivia type events
    - minindo - "Amount of rippers using a meme" qualification per the last moot, see here for details if I'm unable to make it
    - Ironwestie - List of playlists is too large. We need to split it up into smaller parts (User:Ironwestie/List of playlists, User:Ironwestie/List of playlists/0–E).
    - Ironwestie - Coconut Gun is not a meme, it's just a part of Donkey Kong and DK Rap that isn't distinct enough to have its own page
    - Mick - After pokemonfreak's previous rules were set, should these be added as memes?
    - Spottygamester - Remove the indirect contributors section from the list of contributors
    - Mick - Inconsistent meme titles and categories

Spottygamester pinned a message to this channel. See all pinned messages. — Yesterday at 21:01

like you can't just have a single year celebration

7-0-0 Support

  • 21:17: Ironwestie: I think we can discuss which occasions count for this new page after it is created. doesn't have to be during the moot
  • 21:17: MSL925 the fox: sure
  • 21:17: Ironwestie: @minindo :

"Amount of rippers using a meme" qualification per the last moot, see here for details if I'm unable to make it

  • 21:17: MSL925 the fox: ill point out the ones that might count after this moot
  • 21:17: MSL925 the fox: ill make the page now
  • 21:18: Ironwestie: thanks, Miles
  • 21:18: Ironwestie: last call for @minindo ?
  • 21:18: Ironwestie: okay, let's move on to the next person. if we have time I'll come back to them at the end
  • 21:18: Spottygamester: You can just use the move option on the draft on you user page.
  • 21:18: Ironwestie:

Ironwestie - List of playlists is too large. We need to split it up into smaller parts (User:Ironwestie/List of playlists, User:Ironwestie/List of playlists/0–E).

  • 21:19: MSL925 the fox: oh the page has been already made
  • 21:19: Ironwestie: (for log: miles is replying to spotty's message, not mine)
  • 21:19: Ironwestie: So I have been researching ways to automatically update our List of playlists page, and in the process I have discovered that the List of playlists page is hellish to load
  • 21:20: Ironwestie: It's our longest page, and it takes a significant amount of time to load and edit. So I'd like us to split it similar to how we've split our other "List of..." pages. Here are some examples:
  • 21:20: Ironwestie: User:Ironwestie/List of playlists

User:Ironwestie/List_of_playlists/0–E

playlists will be split by playlist name

  • 21:21: Ironwestie: ...That's all
  • 21:21: Spottygamester: Hard agree here.
  • 21:21: Pokemonfreak777: i agree with this
  • 21:21: MSL925 the fox: same
  • 21:21: Mick the Squirrel: I don't like the idea of splitting them LOSFIR style. I like being able to sort them all by rip count.
  • 21:22: Ironwestie: How do you suggest we split them?
  • 21:22: Mick the Squirrel: if they all could just be templated onto one page (kfadtournamentnav style) it would reduce bytes
  • 21:22: Mick the Squirrel: we could split them by letter in subpages
  • 21:23: Ironwestie: Templating onto one page actually doesn't reduce loading time or space. Your browser still needs to load everything, except now it needs to grab the templates as well
  • 21:23: Mick the Squirrel: oh
  • 21:23: Ironwestie: KFADTournamentNav (or whatever the nav is called) has this issue too
  • 21:23: Spottygamester: I don't think it's really possible to split them by rip count either. That would require having to update the counts for all of them manually since there would be way too many call parameters for the page to load.
  • 21:24: Mick the Squirrel: i meant i like having it all together so i can see all the playlist counts at once, not having to check multiple pages and end up writing my own list by putting them together
  • 21:24: Ironwestie: agreed. it's much easier to automatically update the page if we split by titles (which usually don't change) instead of by rip count (which almost alway change)
  • 21:25: Mick the Squirrel: otherwise i agree, that's my only reason
  • 21:25: Pokemonfreak777: i have a compromise idea (off the top of my head, so not super thought out). what if we go with iron's idea but we keep a barebones text version that gets updated by the same bot/code that maintains the freqrip page?
  • 21:26: Ironwestie: what do you mean by barebones text version?
  • 21:26: Pokemonfreak777: playlist name and count in a table thats it
  • 21:26: Pokemonfreak777: no links or whatever
  • 21:27: Ironwestie: hmm
  • 21:27: Ironwestie: how would we differentiate between the two lists?
  • 21:28: Pokemonfreak777: idk actually. havent thought that far
  • 21:29: Ironwestie: I can see the utility for someone who only wants to look at the rip count, but I don't think having two versions of the list is necessary for everyone
  • 21:29: Spottygamester: I agree.
  • 21:29: Ironwestie: people who want the list as one big list can just update it manually themselves
  • 21:29: Pokemonfreak777: sure
  • 21:30: Ironwestie: okay, then vote time
  • 21:31: Ironwestie: Summary: We will split the List of playlists page similarly to "List of songs featured in rips" and other lists. Specifically. by playlist name:

0-E
K-O
P-T
U-Z
-=-

5-1-0 Support

  • 21:32: Ironwestie: Alrighty, I'll make the page after the moot
  • 21:33: Coolbeans Cruz: (if you guys could please ping me when voting from now on thanks in advance)
  • 21:33: Ironwestie:

Ironwestie - Coconut Gun is not a meme, it's just a part of Donkey Kong and DK Rap that isn't distinct enough to have its own page

  • 21:33: Mick the Squirrel: says it all in the title, agree
  • 21:33: Padgriffin:
  • 21:33: Padgriffin: Woops
  • 21:34: Spottygamester: I agree with this as well.
  • 21:34: Pokemonfreak777: im still meh about this
  • 21:34: Spottygamester: I never saw it as a side meme to the DK rap.
  • 21:34: Ironwestie: pokemonfreak, any particular reason why?
  • 21:34: Mick the Squirrel: any info of value (gallery and appearances in rips) can just be moved onto the main page or category or something
  • 21:35: Pokemonfreak777: its in that weird realm where it feels both significant and not significant enough to me
  • 21:35: Pokemonfreak777: i think i mentioned my reasoning a while back about this but id have to look it up
  • 21:36: Ironwestie: the CG is mostly a reference to CG Rap or DK
  • 21:36: Spottygamester: I wouldn't mind just briefly mentioning it on the DK Rap article instead.
  • 21:37: Spottygamester: Though the coconut gun itself doesn't originate from the song.
  • 21:37: Pokemonfreak777: like im fine with either decision. im just meh about it one way or the other
  • 21:38: Ironwestie: okay. so first vote is about whether to delete the page, and the second is about what to do with the content currently on the page (either don't use it or merge it into the CG rap or DK pages)
  • 21:39: Ironwestie: Summary: Coconut Gun is not a meme, it's just a part of Donkey Kong and DK Rap that isn't distinct enough to have its own page. The Coconut Gun page will be deleted or merged into another page.

4-1-0 Support

  • 21:40: Ironwestie: Now for what we do with the content on the page
  • 21:41: Spottygamester: I will say that I don't think rips that only reference the gun itself should be part of the actual "Rips featuring DK Rap" category.
  • 21:41: Spottygamester: I do think it should get a passing mention on the track's article though.
  • 21:42: Minindo: I’m back, I was asleep. I’ll try to get to my computer asap and post what I linked there once the current topic finishes
  • 21:42: Ironwestie: I think it's sometimes hard to tell whether something is referencing DK or the CG rap (or just the gun itself) when you hear "CG!" in the rip
  • 21:44: Pokemonfreak777: i think they should still be included in the rips featuring dk rap category (since coconut gun is part of the lyrics). we can distinguish between cg and regular uses on the category page
  • 21:44: Mick the Squirrel: also list of rips referencing other rips
  • 21:45: Ironwestie: mhm
  • 21:45: Spottygamester: I think if it only uses the gun itself it shouldn't count.
  • 21:46: Ironwestie: I'm actually not sure if I've seen a rip that only references the gun exclusively
  • 21:47: Mick the Squirrel: the gun's use in rips is meant to represent the song (like characters to memes), I don't think rippers want to include the object in a rip for any reason other than that
  • 21:47: Spottygamester: There's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a55EO9zUZRE

  • 21:47: Pokemonfreak777: apparently this one just shows the gun Circus (Loud Mix) - Five Nights at Freddy's
  • 21:47: Spottygamester: Timestamp at 1:16
  • 21:48: Spottygamester: No lyrics of the DK Rap are in this.
  • 21:48: Ironwestie: true
  • 21:48: Ironwestie: It's not up to us fans to judge intention, but I think it's safe to assume that the CG is used in these rips to reference the DK Rap meme
  • 21:49: Pokemonfreak777: honestly i think we can still include it, but in a "visuals" section
  • 21:50: Ironwestie: any thoughts before we move this along?
  • 21:50: Ironwestie: This second vote is for whether we will merge the contents of the current Coconut Gun page or trash them entirely
  • 21:51: Ironwestie: Summary: We'll merge the contents of the current Coconut Gun page into the DK or DK rap page

5-1-0 Support

  • 21:52: Ironwestie: We'll leave exactly how this merge will go to the editing process
  • 21:53: Ironwestie: @minindo , are you ready to talk about your proposal?
  • 21:53: Minindo: Yes
  • 21:53: Minindo: My proposal:

In [the moot before] the previous moot, this was voted on:

For single source-memes:
Memes must be used in at least 30 rips.
Memes must be used by at least 3 rippers.
Memes associated with channel event(s) should also have a presence outside of them.
Memes should be relevant to the channel's lore.

The majority vote was support for 1,2,3 and oppose 4. However, I strictly oppose point 2.

I don’t think how many rippers are using the meme in question is relevant to the channel on the outside. What if the credits aren't public until later (like in an album) and we have to retroactively undo something's status as a meme because it turns out too much of it was just one person? Or the sole (or almost-sole) person forcing it happens to be someone who stays anonymous with their credits, so nobody ever knows it is actually three or less people forcing it. Seems a little arbitrary then, right?

What people perceive as a SiIvaGunner meme is wildly up to interpretation, but I still believe it must have to do with what's on the channel itself, not behind the curtain. Ripper credits are always going to be incomplete on the wiki, relying on assumptions, and I don't think we should base anything's consideration of relevance to the channel on this.

  • 21:54: Pokemonfreak777: so i saw this earlier and wrote a (semi) prepared statement lol
  • 21:54: Pokemonfreak777: we can change the point to a suggestion

idea behind the qualifications was to act as a springboard for proposing new memes for discussion. in practice i guess not all points would need to be met but meeting more criteria would strengthen the case.

  • 21:55: Ironwestie: agreed with this. having a ripper requirement puts us in a weird spot of trying to peek behind the curtain, as minindo points out
  • 21:55: Spottygamester: I honestly never realised this problem until minnido pointed out to me about a month ago now.
  • 21:56: Spottygamester: I was always a little unsure of it, but I fully agree that it shouldn't be part of the criteria now.
  • 21:58: Ironwestie: mm, so similar to how we changed #4 to a "should", we could change #2 to a "should" as well
  • 21:58: Spottygamester: Don't you mean "shouldn't"?
  • 21:59: Ironwestie: I mean changing #2 to something like:

"2. Memes should be used by at least 3 rippers."

  • 22:00: Ironwestie: but maybe that's also not a helpful criteria
  • 22:00: Spottygamester: I feel like that's not much different to the current criteria.
  • 22:00: Minindo: just abandon 2
  • 22:00: Ironwestie: ya, fair
  • 22:00: Coolbeans Cruz: yeah this kinda defeats the point of the proposal
  • 22:00: Pokemonfreak777: if we decide to completely remove it, is there an alternative that would be better?
  • 22:00: Ironwestie: okay, I'm more than happy to remove #2
  • 22:01: Pokemonfreak777: cuz otherwise the criteria seems a bit thin
  • 22:01: Spottygamester: Yeah, it's one of those cases where you either have it or you don't.
  • 22:01: Ironwestie: my original hesitance with removing #2 was that we don't want "forced" memes by one or two rippers, but I realize that isn't up to us to know or judge
  • 22:02: Padgriffin: I mean, nothing is stopping them from just inviting someone else or outright making up a new persona to take credit if they’re committed enough to force a meme by making 30 rips
  • 22:03: Pokemonfreak777: thats why i proposed changing it to should. if you have evidence that more than 1-2 rippers are using it you can present it to strengthen your meme case, but it won't be a requirement
  • 22:03: Ironwestie: that's a very good point, Padgriffin
  • 22:03: Spottygamester: This as well.
  • 22:04: Coolbeans Cruz: and in medley collabs it will be impossible to tell who used the meme
  • 22:05: Spottygamester: That's an excellent point as well coolbeans.
  • 22:05: Spottygamester: I never considered that.
  • 22:05: Ironwestie: Those are good enough points for me
  • 22:06: Pokemonfreak777: id be more on board with removing this if there was an alternative/new criteria to replace it tbh
  • 22:07: Pokemonfreak777: but i digress
  • 22:07: Minindo: I can't see any criteria that's related to what individual rippers are doing with the memes that would be a good idea
  • 22:08: Pokemonfreak777: the example i often cite for why i include the rule is Quinn Wolf
  • 22:08: Ironwestie: to give some context, our current criteria for single-source memes are:

1. Memes must be used in at least 30 rips.
2. Memes must be used by at least 3 rippers.
3. Memes associated with channel event(s) should also have a presence outside of them.
we're now voting to remove number 2, which means we'll just have two criteria

  • 22:09: Pokemonfreak777: if we remove 2, and someone proposes Quinn Wolf as a meme, how would we proceed?
  • 22:09: Minindo: Yeah that's pretty much entirely christopherlry, but does that matter at all?
  • 22:09: Minindo: It still pops up a lot on the channel
  • 22:09: Mick the Squirrel: thats a multi source meme we havent finished that discussion
  • 22:09: Spottygamester: That's true.
  • 22:09: Minindo: yeah putting aside that though
  • 22:09: Minindo: this is just an example
  • 22:10: Pokemonfreak777: well one could make the argument that its a meme based on the revised criteria even though it really isnt
  • 22:10: Minindo: Different rippers put things into the channel on the inside but what comes out is all on equal footing
  • 22:10: Spottygamester: There's still a lot of other things we need to discuss regarding meme criteria. It's still a work in progress at the moment.
  • 22:10: Minindo: If christopherlry was an anonymous contributor we wouldnt even be using this as an example
  • 22:10: Minindo: And he easily could have been
  • 22:10: Padgriffin: There’s really no way for us to deal with it without it being problematic in one way or another
  • 22:10: Minindo: Yeah, so just ditch the rippers part
  • 22:10: MSL925 the fox: Feel like quinn wolf is like infected mushrooms imo
  • 22:11: MSL925 the fox: Where it’s mainly one person who does a lot of rips with the joke
  • 22:11: Spottygamester: That's actually a pretty good comparison lol
  • 22:11: Ironwestie: I get that we don't just want to do it based on a strict number of uses, but I agree that having a criterion for rippers isn't actually going to be useful
  • 22:11: Minindo: That's true, though that's TTGD, which is a whole different conversation on an entirely different wiki and might even have different implications for that channel because they are credited on the channel in TTGD, but that's a digression
  • 22:12: Pokemonfreak777: i mean i guess if we're willing to consider quinn wolf (or similar cases) as a meme (which i could be on board) then yeah we could remove 2
  • 22:13: Minindo: i absolutely would be willing to in theory, putting aside what mick mentioned about the different arguments (multi-source stuff) about that source in particular
  • 22:13: Ironwestie: mm, maybe a good question is: Why aren't Quinn Wolf or similar cases memes?
  • 22:13: Spottygamester: Oh god.
  • 22:13: Ironwestie: haha
  • 22:13: Spottygamester: That's a very deep question lol.
  • 22:14: Minindo: quinn wolf i think is a less good example because it's a whole artist with many songs and thats a different criteria discussion
  • 22:14: Minindo: maybe something that Jp forced in 2019 like sexy grandpa i always think of that as a good example (if i'm right)
  • 22:15: Minindo: let's see what i get when i use Mj's category comparison tool with Category:Rips featuring I'm Not Yo Daddy, I'm Yo Grandpa and Category:Jp
  • 22:16: Minindo: sorry am i doing something wrong here what was the ⚠️
  • 22:16: Padgriffin: Sorry, I was looking through the emojis and accidentally clicked on that lol
  • 22:18: Minindo: cant seem to get it to work so just ignore that
  • 22:18: Ironwestie: okay
  • 22:19: Ironwestie: I think there's still a problem with judging rips by how many rippers have used them in rips
  • 22:19: Minindo: for sure, i think it's not worth the trouble and that should just be abandoned
  • 22:19: Spottygamester: I feel like we should do the vote now since we're starting to get a little off-topic.
  • 22:19: Ironwestie: yes, I agree, Spotty. I think we can revisit adding criteria another time
  • 22:20: Ironwestie: Summary: We'll remove this criterion for memes: 2. Memes must be used by at least 3 rippers.. Our current rules will be:

1. Memes must be used in at least 30 rips.
2. Memes associated with channel event(s) should also have a presence outside of them.
-=-

6-1-0 Support

  • 22:21: Ironwestie: (welcome AGR, btw)
  • 22:22: Ironwestie: Let's move on to the next proposal
  • 22:22: Ironwestie: @Mick , your proposal has a bunch of memes sources you want to suggest. However, I think we should save talking about them until we finalize our criteria for memes
  • 22:22: Mick the Squirrel: thats the thing
  • 22:22: Mick the Squirrel: Segwaying from the previous discussion, i'd like to go down most of the sources i've added to the SINGLE SOURCE section of my meme appearance threshold subpage as somewhere to begin testing pokemonfreak's "30 rip" rule, possibly add more criteria, and figure out what makes a meme "a meme". Yes they all fit the 30 criteria, but what other thoughts do we have about them?

At the end we can either add approved sources as memes now, or wait for the 30 rip rule / other meme rules to be official and add them then (more likely). User:Mick the Squirrel/meme appearance threshold#SINGLE SOURCE

would you rather i post all of them all at once or one at a time?

  • 22:23: Mick the Squirrel: we start from this, then figure it out based on the actual sources
  • 22:23: Ironwestie: you have LOT of sources on your list
  • 22:23: Mick the Squirrel: just the single ones, not all of them
  • 22:23: Mick the Squirrel: thats 8
  • 22:23: Mick the Squirrel: (not doing hamood, event rule)
  • 22:24: Ironwestie: still, that is 8 different discussions about each meme
  • 22:24: Mick the Squirrel: ...
  • 22:24: Spottygamester: I feel like this is an awful lot to discuss.
  • 22:24: Ironwestie: I think there is still some hesitance about what the final version of the meme criteria should be
  • 22:25: Mick the Squirrel: how about just discussing them in general, not individually, pointing out things you would and agree and disagree making them "meme worthy"
  • 22:25: Ironwestie: so I think this should be saved until we have more than just the one requirement to assess
  • 22:25: Pokemonfreak777: from top to bottom quick run through: yes, no, no (hamood event), yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
  • 22:25: Pokemonfreak777: my opinions + loose application of the criteria btw
  • 22:26: Spottygamester: I've never seen Fresh Prince, Party Rock, September and X Gonna Give it to ya as memes tbh.
  • 22:26: Mick the Squirrel: again, this is to find more requirements. if something on the list feels wrong, we explain why and add it to the criteria list. we don't have to do them all individually.
  • 22:27: Ironwestie: I don't feel that I can say yes or no in good faith without having more concrete criteria
  • 22:27: Spottygamester: I guess one thing that looking at this has made done is made me think more about how KFAD arrangements count towards the meme criteria.
  • 22:28: Mick the Squirrel: (off topic but) the freqrip thing is a headache too, we don't count kfad but other fake games are included?
  • 22:29: Mick the Squirrel: so we're skipping this i guess?
  • 22:30: Ironwestie: I don't have any comments about these memes, honestly. I don't feel like I have any internal criteria I use to judge whether something is a meme other than some vague feeling
  • 22:30: Spottygamester: I think that's what most people feel like at the moment.
  • 22:30: Ironwestie: like DreamScape and Plastic Love I could see being a thing because of KFAD
  • 22:31: Ironwestie: but idk if that means they are memes or not
  • 22:31: Mick the Squirrel: just gonna copy and paste my reasoning for each
  • 22:31: Mick the Squirrel: Dreamscape - Represents and spun off from a kfad character, uses are split between tournament, the event, and various misc rips.

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air - this is the soundcloud mashup song, we have a bunch of songs in that variety with little impact other than high use documented already (Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Bodies, Whales), why not this?

(skipping hamood thats an event source)
Rock Anthem - Popular song with over a billion views (Gangnam Style, Despacito), not on the mashup level of fresh prince but still frequently used.

Plastic Love - Dreamscape reasoning mostly. Several uses are from the tournament, but a large amount were made after.

Seinfeld - Fresh prince reasoning, + the event.

September - Celebrated annually, generally a beloved song.

X Gon' Give It to Ya - Fresh prince reasoning again.

Super Idol - Been getting pushed hard this year, paired with uncanny incredible and the anime squid thing multiple times, kind of had a mini event.

I don't think this should be taken into consideration when deciding a source as a meme.

  • 22:33: Mick the Squirrel: yeah was kinda reaching with that
  • 22:34: Ironwestie: I can see your reasoning, Mick, but again I don't have any concrete criteria to answer the question of: "Is this a SiIvaGunner meme?"
  • 22:35: Mick the Squirrel: it's mainly somewhere to start when thinking about what further criteria could be.
  • 22:35: Ironwestie: mhm, and I appreciate that
  • 22:35: Ironwestie: It doesn't spark anything in me at the moment
  • 22:36: Ironwestie: so for now I say we table this for a future moot. perhaps we can discuss in wiki-general and come back to this
  • 22:36: Mick the Squirrel: alright
  • 22:36: Ironwestie: In that case, let's move on
  • 22:36: Ironwestie: @Spottygamester :

Spottygamester - Remove the indirect contributors section from the list of contributors

  • 22:36: Spottygamester: I feel that the indirect contributors section on the list of contributors is no longer needed since almost all of the people in it are either no longer indirect contributors (i.e. TurretBot), or never were in the first place (i.e. ytp4life).

In addition, I also have the firm belief that indirect contributors shouldn't have even been a thing in the first place. They have no specification for what counts as one, and are out of the scope of this wiki anyway.

The only “indict” contributors listed in the section at the moment are SBFR and SilvaGunner (lowercase l). The former is the remix group that made the music that the kirbtunes mashup collabs use, while the latter is the channel that preceded GilvaSunner (lowercase l). Neither of them have contributed to the channel directly.

That being said, I still think the SilvaGunner article should be kept, since it is tied to the channel’s larger history and has been referenced a few times on Siiva. SBFR doesn’t really have that other then the channel uses them for the previously mentioned kirbtunes rips and being what SGFR is named after. I personally don’t think either of these are notable enough to warrant SBFR being listed on the wiki.

  • 22:38: Ironwestie: Makes sense to me. I'm fine with removing the "Indirect contributors" section and removing SBFR's redirect
  • 22:38: Spottygamester: Link to the list as it is now:

List of contributors#Indirect contributors

(for future reference)

  • 22:39: Ironwestie: further thoughts before we vote?
  • 22:40: Ironwestie: okay, vote time
  • 22:40: Spottygamester: @Coolbeans7Z Vote time
  • 22:41: Ironwestie: Summary: We will remove the "Indirect contributors" section of the "List of contributors" page.

-=-

5-1-0 Support

Mick - Inconsistent meme titles and categories The names of the "rips featuring" categories for this handful of memes are inconsistent with their titles. They should be changed to one or the other. page name on the left, category on the right, notes below.

-Eggnog / Life Jacket Kid

-Hate not the Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind / Hate Not The Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind

-John Cena / The Time Is Now
"TheTime Is Now" is not really notable on its own, but broadening what can be included in the category to "Rips featuring John Cena" might make it better, as he is the physical representation of it. (we may have to leave this one for now, meme discussion)

Let's Do This / Home Depot

Love Live! / Love Live
Wikipedia keeps the exclamation point, the category probably should

Mr. Krabs / Mr Krabs
Wikipedia keeps the period, the category probably should

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic / My Little Pony
this to the latter, the category refers to the entire franchise but the page is titled after one series in it

Scatman John / Scatman
His full performing name is Scatman John, change the category.

The Love Plug / Love Plug

Touhou Project / Touhou

U.N. Owen Was Her? / U.N. Owen was Her?

  • 22:42: Ironwestie: I've been meaning to bring up a lot of these titles.
  • 22:43: Spottygamester: I personally think Touhou Project should be labeled as such across the whole wiki.
  • 22:43: Spottygamester: Since it is the full name of the series.
  • 22:44: Pokemonfreak777: agree with keeping category and page consistent, which one to choose i leave up to consensus
  • 22:44: Minindo: oh yeah of course this is a no brainer imo, to make the "rips featuring" consistent with the meme title
  • 22:45: Ironwestie: Thoughts:

- Eggnog is the character's canonical name
- Hate Not The Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind is proper capitalization (I'm not too familiar with Touhou so correct me if I'm wrong)
- The Time Is Now, 100%. Cena isn't the meme
- Let's Do This, title of the song
- Love Live!
- Mr. Krabs
- My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
- Scatman John
- The Love Plug (edit: added "The" since the video title begins with "The", I think?)
- Touhou Project
- U.N. Owen Was Her? (same situation as the other Touhou source)

Do This / Home Depot
I think this should be "Let's Do This" since it's usually the song been referenced and not the actual store.

  • 22:46: Minindo: Agreed 100%
  • 22:46: Pokemonfreak777: agree with iron's list
  • 22:46: Spottygamester: Agreed with all of these.
  • 22:47: Ironwestie: can someone confirm that the Touhou songs are actually capitalized this way?
  • 22:47: Ironwestie: idk why they were originally capitalized incorrectly
  • 22:47: Mick the Squirrel: so if we're naming the mlp category fim are we removing all rips featuring music not from that series?
  • 22:47: Minindo: well just go off of how siiva uploads them
  • 22:48: Spottygamester: "U.N. Owen Was Her?" is the offcial captalisation of the song according to the Touhou Wiki.
  • 22:48: Coolbeans Cruz: (wouldn’t we have to verify the name of love plug too)
  • 22:48: Spottygamester: Rips featuring Death Waltz
  • 22:48: Minindo: Hate not the Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1uR_kzQyVY

  • 22:48: Ironwestie: siiva uses "U.N. Owen Was Her?", but uses the wrong capitalization for
  • 22:48: Ironwestie: yeah
  • 22:49: Minindo: well hmm
  • 22:49: Minindo: logically since this is the siivagunner wiki we should go with siiva's upload
  • 22:49: Minindo: or, and this is a little wacky, i could just report this as a mistake internally in team rn and have it changed
  • 22:49: Spottygamester: I'm not sure tbh.
  • 22:49: Ironwestie: Is it a mistake tho?
  • 22:49: Spottygamester: We always go with offcial titles on the wiki.
  • 22:50: Mick the Squirrel: latter
  • 22:50: Spottygamester: That could work lol. I don't think they realised it was an error.
  • 22:51: Minindo: AP conventions state that it should really be Hate Not the Wind lmao
  • 22:51: Ironwestie: haha
  • 22:51: Minindo: this is pretty stupid i mean at least for this one capitalizing it wrong in the link leads to the same category anyway
  • 22:51: Spottygamester: Will also add to Mick's question here. I do think they'll be removed, but the channel almost entirly references FiM anyway.
  • 22:52: Mick the Squirrel: love live isnt called love live sif though
  • 22:52: Mick the Squirrel: its the entire franchise
  • 22:52: Minindo: oh right ok just drop the friendship is magic part i guess
  • 22:52: Spottygamester: SiIva has referenced almost everything from the Love Live franchise songwise though.
  • 22:52: Pokemonfreak777: actually yeah. i think my little pony should be the entire franchise not just fim
  • 22:53: Ironwestie: okay, so final list is:

- Eggnog
- Hate Not The Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind
- The Time Is Now
- Let's Do This
- Love Live!
- Mr. Krabs
- My Little Pony
- Scatman John
- The Love Plug
- Touhou Project
- U.N. Owen Was Her?

(wouldn’t we have to verify the name of love plug too)
?


there

I'm not going to verify that lmao
fair lol

  • 22:55: Ironwestie: we're going to make the main page titles the same as the categories
  • 22:55: MSL925 the fox: Ah ok
  • 22:55: Spottygamester: Can I request adding to change "Rips featuring Chip tha Ripper" to "Rips featuring S.L.A.B. Freestyle" as well to this?
  • 22:55: Ironwestie: the list is the (new) name for both
  • 22:55: Ironwestie: yes please
  • 22:56: Mick the Squirrel: have any non-slab songs been referenced?
  • 22:56: Spottygamester: I don't think so.
  • 22:56: Mick the Squirrel: i am in favor of the rename
  • 22:56: Coolbeans Cruz: emote dance moves version 2 referenced “interior crocodile alligator” (the new remix of slab) (i think)
  • 22:57: Mick the Squirrel: thats a version of the main meme, note it on the category
  • 22:57: Minindo: well that's still slab so no diff
  • 22:57: Pokemonfreak777: i also agree with the rename
  • 22:57: Ironwestie: No other chip songs are listed on List of songs featured in rips
  • 22:57: Pokemonfreak777: also not sure if off topic but please fix soulja boy/crank that
  • 22:57: Minindo: honestly that's very surprising. it makes me want to use one. the category should definitely be Rips featuring S.L.A.B. Freestyle though
  • 22:57: Ironwestie: I believe that's already been done
  • 22:57: Mick the Squirrel: thought i did that already
  • 22:57: Mick the Squirrel: yeah
  • 22:58: Ironwestie: final thoughts before we vote?
  • 22:58: Ironwestie: voting time
  • 22:59: Spottygamester: @Coolbeans7Z Vote time.
  • 23:01: Ironwestie: Summary: To make meme page names consistent with their "Rips featuring" categories, we will rename the meme page and names for the following pairs:

- New: Eggnog (previously "Life Jacket Kid")
- Hate Not The Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind ("Hate not the Wind, Spring Blossoms ~ Eternal Wind")
- The Time Is Now ("John Cena")
- Let's Do This ("Home Depot")
- Love Live! ("Love Live")
- Mr. Krabs ("Mr Krabs")
- My Little Pony ("My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic")
- Scatman John ("Scatman")
- The Love Plug ("Love Plug")
- Touhou Project ("Touhou")
- U.N. Owen Was Her? ("U.N. Owen was Her?")
- S.L.A.B. Freestyle ("Chip tha Ripper")
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  • 23:02: Ironwestie: When I get the chance I'll use the bot to fix the links
  • 23:02: Ironwestie: cool, I think this about does it for this moot. the next moot will be in december
  • 23:02: Ironwestie: thanks, y'all!
  • 23:03: Spottygamester: That was a very productive moot.
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