SiIvaGunner Wiki:Meme discussion/Log/25th: The Mine Song
Since the last time this was proposed, The Mine Song has in fact seen usage outside of Season Mine, appearing in 2 mashup medleys, once in a regular schedule rip and twice in unrelated event rips. This alongside Stingy's appearances in videos like the SiIvaGunner SmashUp! of which he was the victor of, acknowledgement by Joke-Explainer's YouTube account and in extra-channel material such as the collages posted by the SG ART TEAM, it is undeniable that The Mine Song has been accepted into the SiIvaGunner pantheon alongside other new faces like Burning Desires.
not a meme just because he showed up in the smashup and had a few rips past his event
weve gone through the same rigamarole every thread of this i dont think we all have to repeat ourselves
external acknowledgments and winning smashup just let it happen see yall on proposal 5 in a month
nobody besides the initial post is citing actual reasons to be fair
i personally believe character appearances and extra-channel acknowledgement to be the strongest points towards any source being a meme and stingy definitely has it better than most
People used this point for Burning Desires and acted like it was above Mine Song in that regard
then write a character article 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
either way, characters and memes are intertwined on siivagunner so yes i believe stingy should have both a character page for his external appearances and a meme page for documenting rip appearances and trends
Why say it like that and also then why not do the same for Burnice if that's the case because that's what people used as a point because her recent appearances are also character related but clearly that doesn't make sense so why is this even a point
burnice is not a takeover host there are a lot of things i need to say that i'm going to just save for later good afternoon everyone
burnice is not a takeover host there are a lot of things i need to say that i'm going to just save for later good afternoon everyone
burnice is still part of the event so it should also be an event meme by your standards
and besides this thread is about the mine song being a meme, not about stingy being a character which the latter i think everyone can agree on but the usage of the character strengthens the source's status as a meme, or "furthers the idea" to use you guys' terms
I just think Burning Desires is not even at all different from Mine Song in this case and it's pretty crazy how people think it is
not a meme just because he showed up in the smashup and had a few rips past his event
not a meme just because he showed up in the smashup and had a few rips past his event
burnice is literally just the same except she wasn’t even in the smashup so its even less
i am a little confused because brunice being a scrapped character for smashup was used as a point for her yet being the winner isn't a point for stingy? i dont want this to become a burning desires thread but i would like further clarification on why exactly you supported burning desires but not mine song
the fact that stingy won doesn't make his appearance matter more than a non-winning appearance unless the video was staged (not an accusation)
I bring this up because its the same points I am just asking like, would you consider it the same
My vote’s still staying the same regardless on both threads And they’re probably the same ig
So this is just a flaw in the system then because we can just p much vote off like and dislike if you agree
look im all for vibes based reasoning but being ideologically consistent is also good
Yep :)
Yunno what You’re right, circun I should be consistent with my votes and my lines of reasoning
the only real logical counterargument to this that has made any sense is mine song's relevance being mostly centered to one event which would be more understandable to me if that event was specifically not season mine, a month long event that basically turned into regular schedule at the end. like idk
Forwarded:
i initially voted in favor of burning desires in that thread because of the prominence around that time
my thoughts have changed since then, similarly to my thoughts on mine song
both of them show up sparsely in terms of rips by themselves (outside of a specific event) and their inclusions in medleys is a non-factor in my eyes
i honestly see medley appearances as more important than solo rips sometimes, a source can rack up a lot of rips over a period of time but having people remember and care enough about it to include it in a medley which more often than not do focus on other established channel memes is a point for that source in my opinion i dont think that aspect is as relevant with mine song but its an opinion i hold about most medley appearances
I agree, people seem to hate medley appearances here for some reason and act like its a massively lesser appearance, when its quite the opposite
i honestly see medley appearances as more important than solo rips sometimes, a source can rack up a lot of rips over a period of time but having people remember and care enough about it to include it in a medley which more often than not do focus on other established channel memes is a point for that source in my opinion i dont think that aspect is as relevant with mine song but its an opinion i hold about most medley appearances
In my eyes solo and medleys uses are the same but this take is way more reasonable that the people who act like medley uses dont count
facts yo i think its about the stereotype of the source that gets used 25 times in 2017 and is then relegated to only medley appearances for the rest of the channels life
which like idk what would be even included in that i guess like wordle rap or something but thats off topic
facts yo i think its about the stereotype of the source that gets used 25 times in 2017 and is then relegated to only medley appearances for the rest of the channels life
Slow mode is on because the last few meme discussion vote threads got derailed extremely quickly due to how fast people were posting in them.
i think my opinion really does just boil down to “mine song does not show up individually all too often after season mine”
Slow mode is on because the last few meme discussion vote threads got derailed extremely quickly due to how fast people were posting in them.
Can you atleast lower it to 30 second 1 full minute is excesive imo
i disagree on principle anyway bc season mine should highkey be enough but i also think focusing specifically on solo rip appearances and nothing else is narrow-minded considering siivagunner is a channel comprised of a lot more than that and memes can be represented in a lot of different ways
you hold a respectable opinion though i know thats how a lot of people think here (hence the thread image 😛)
actually how many rips with mine song by itself have been used since season mine i probably should’ve asked/checked this first to be honest
by itself i think 3, the steam gardens one, the angry birds seasons one and the rip of it on me at the zoo day
by itself i think 3, the steam gardens one, the angry birds seasons one and the rip of it on me at the zoo day
stingy’s meant to be a representation of mine song really, right in like a meta sense
stingy is a representation of the mine song the same way robbie is a representation of wano
Wrong mario oddesey song but you heart is in the right place
hmm my decision feels hard here because it’s getting the meme off of an event and an appearance in smashup, aswell as medley appearances and the 3 rips
Also very funny fact its a frequently ripped now LMAO it can get a page anyways
last one kinda doesnt count cuz of the rips featuring/rips of thing but on a spiritual level 3
hmm my decision feels hard here because it’s getting the meme off of an event and an appearance in smashup, aswell as medley appearances and the 3 rips
thats already way more than most memes could ever dream of so i feel comfortable in my decision
yeah thats another thing, the channel acts like mine song is a season 9 mainstay regardless of "event meme" status it has, and i think that is just as valid as rip based appearances to consider if something is a meme
i dont think every joke exactly needs it to become a meme, but if a joke has it then it basically is one in my eyes
a month long event should be a point FOR a meme, not against it. what are we doing here?? i will also acknowledge that the wiki in its current state is extremely rip centric so i understand if you guys treat non rip appearances as counting less but also keep in mind that it is much harder to get a meme to appear in a lore video or art collage than it is to shit out a random 30 second pitch shifting rip (not saying mine song rips are like this all of the ones we got are fantastic. new donk city streamed melodyswap is crazy)
not a meme just because he showed up in the smashup and had a few rips past his event
theyre saying im the greatest to ever do it
im basically the goat of siivagunner politics mine song meme page is basically my project 2025
a month long event should be a point FOR a meme, not against it. what are we doing here?? i will also acknowledge that the wiki in its current state is extremely rip centric so i understand if you guys treat non rip appearances as counting less but also keep in mind that it is much harder to get a meme to appear in a lore video or art collage than it is to shit out a random 30 second pitch shifting rip (not saying mine song rips are like this all of the ones we got are fantastic. new donk city streamed melodyswap is crazy)
per all, notably the message i’m replying to (circun: “a month long event […]”)
as well as this reasoning https://discord.com/channels/787504555763826738/795823197185900574/1363253798717358323 which i will quote in the following message so that it’s archived in here
if it had no lore or branding but there were the same amount of mine song rips across that time it wouldve passed here with flying colors but siivagunner as a collective finds stingy/the mine song funny enough to go the extra mile with it
a month long event should be a point FOR a meme, not against it. what are we doing here?? i will also acknowledge that the wiki in its current state is extremely rip centric so i understand if you guys treat non rip appearances as counting less but also keep in mind that it is much harder to get a meme to appear in a lore video or art collage than it is to shit out a random 30 second pitch shifting rip (not saying mine song rips are like this all of the ones we got are fantastic. new donk city streamed melodyswap is crazy)
If someone is using the event as reasoning to exclude mine song, then they are insane. The thing is the mine song needs usage IN ADDITION to the event bc if it's just notable bc of being the main source of an event then it's not really a meme
Forwarded: Have a distinction in your mind between an event crammed in a day and an event that lasts more than a month, functions as the regular schedule and goes into regular rips for a bit
Forwarded: because personally i lowkey DO agree there are things that are just Event Memes that aren’t really siiva memes siiva just decided to celebrate an occasion with rips and then they never gave a fuck afterwards or in any other way
Forwarded: i understand event memes when they're applied to something like gummibar day or even baby day where its a one-and-done day and both GB and JB haven't really shown up much (although justin's further appearences were enough to grant him his page) but this is literally like reboot 2 + gadget week scale event
Also in another point, the new rip of "The Mine Song" reached the Frequently Ripped Track status as well, so this makes it more closer to it
what if stingy was the meme instead (just kidding dont do that)
if you make a vote that you say as a joke but dont cross it out or replace thats kind of bad practice
if you make a vote that you say as a joke but dont cross it out or replace thats kind of bad practice
the "restructure" emote shall be removed from that message for clarity of the final transcript
i was writing that and i had to remove the actual restructure emote from the message because i wasnt sure if it would also end up accidentally being counted
This meme page is mine.
And this octagonal sign.
That fanchannel meme, the event's gleam,
they're mine, mine, mine, mine, mine!
Wiki restructures are mine, and Burnice's desires are mine! Kyun Vampire, Proposals of ire, They're all emphatically mine.
It all belongs to me! Everything that I see! Tob, Alph, Phin eh Poop! I caress it, 'cause I possess it. I'm Stingy, and it's mine!
And this lyrical parody is also mine.
The votes and approves are mine. All your editings are mine! You always knew it, that's all there is to it! It's mine, mine, mine, mine, mine!
That's what I said, it's mine!
Forwarded: Have a distinction in your mind between an event crammed in a day and an event that lasts more than a month, functions as the regular schedule and goes into regular rips for a bit
anyway in seriousness yeah lets get this over with stingy has been present enough; see this message in particular
anyway in seriousness yeah lets get this over with stingy has been present enough; see this message in particular
thick of it and this should serve as kind of a principle to be honest; big memes during an event with otherwise normal scheduling (albeit christmas was christmas-themed as usual and paused during arg stuff) that were highlighted and lingered on after the fact, even if by a little
I agree it's a meme.
As I mentioned in the previous thread, The Mine Song is more than just an event source. It was used in Stingy's takeover, and it continues to be used to this day (albeit without the frequency it used to have).
I would like to see a breakdown of The Mine Song's usage since the previous proposal. I think that could convince more folks on the oppose side.
y'know, I was gonna wait just a little bit more for just one or two more rips before considering making a proposal, but sure. it's finally getting more rips now and will most certainly get more in the future, plus appearances in side material. it's a meme
As I mentioned in the previous thread, The Mine Song is more than just an event source. It was used in Stingy's takeover, and it continues to be used to this day (albeit without the frequency it used to have).
I would like to see a breakdown of The Mine Song's usage since the previous proposal. I think that could convince more folks on the oppose side.
usage since the previous proposal SiIvaGunner SmashUp! 2 Stingy was a fighter and he won. Mine Song plays during his entrance obviously New Donk City (OST Version) - Super Mario Odyssey Solo rip, has a comment by JE talking abt Stingys takeover Easter Eggs - Angry Birds Seasons Used alongside tobalphinehhpoop
Its takeover event was one of the most noteworthy as of late, lasting well over a month, and its now since been shown to still be around post takeover
burnice is not a takeover host there are a lot of things i need to say that i'm going to just save for later good afternoon everyone
It’s takeover event was very notable, and it’s used past that occasionally still.
you need to cite reasoning, not just have the support emoji gamecontrollersposition i would recommend you edit your message to reflect that
you need to cite reasoning, not just have the support emoji gamecontrollersposition i would recommend you edit your message to reflect that
is the mick essay ever dropping i was waiting for it before voting
I appreciate having my writing acknowledged, but 1. being depended on for these things psychs me out and 2. there is already a very likely chance doing all of this will mean nothing since the first day has passed and most opinions have been set in already.
anyway:
then write a character article 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Message annulled, apologies... there are more composed ways to explain myself.
...that intro image is kinda backwards. This is the most emotional point i'm going to bring up here, the overwhelming support here just feels like comedy in bad faith? You know what the joke is: "wiki server made ANOTHER mine song thread! aint it wacky how negative they've been toward it? let's just support it right now and get the joke overwith". The issue is I don't feel like we've been properly discriminatory within the process of approving our third real "event meme" in this discussion format (previous two being gegagedigedagedago and gummibär song).
I understand how The Mine Song is culturally relevant as the audible event mascot, yes, but that doesn't make it a "meme" by what I thought our (admittedly unwritten) terms were. The value of a meme should also exist outside of its event, because we're trying to act as a source of documentation. If something is worth writing about, we don't need multiple disjointed pages on it.
To me, the Mine Sing only fits as a "source of relevance", but the song is not a meme yet. In the way things like Hiroyuki Sawano, the Black Eyed Peas, Elvira, or Garten of Banban currently feel (not in structure, but in relevance). I think they deserve some form of general analysis for their chunk of influence? But the "meme" label is not correct at this point because the point doesn't align with what we're looking for in a "meme" article.
"acting like a month long event with lore relevance is the same as gummy bear day is insane" "Have a distinction in your mind between an event crammed in a day and an event that lasts more than a month, functions as the regular schedule and goes into regular rips for a bit"
Not having a meme article doesn't make the source less valuable. This is obviously more directly impactful than a lot of event sources, but that isn't an automatic inclusion.
The framing of season mine was strange, and its length is noteworthy, but it doesn't need a redundant article on the wiki to assess it like it isn't already summarized within the event. Why should we enact something prior to its necessity just because of how long the event was? All things noteworthy of writing can be redirected to that page.
If this is truly such a shoo-in and a storm of non-event rips is coming any day now, what's the point of having the article up this early? Why can't we assess things with proper hindsight, or at least around when they reach that point of significance? Why rush to make a redundant article?
"this is literally like reboot 2 + gadget week scale event"
For consistency? Not really. Both of these meme articles were created right after their events began (naive). Luckily, their non-event usage in addition to their sequel-event usage would later solidify themselves as something noteworthy of a page. Try plugging "Rips featuring Inspector Gadget Theme"/"Rips featuring Minecraft with Gadget" or "Rips featuring Chicken and Chips" into https://youknowher.github.io/Wiki-Shared-Item-Obtainer/category_category_grabber.html, the after-event spread is of value. (if by "reboot 2" you mean the original reboot, please see https://discord.com/channels/787504555763826738/1350996560825286718/1351038226059755572) If wiki retrospective culture existed in the yesteryear, i'd reject them too on the same basis I'm saying now, patience.
"the channel acts like mine song is a season 9 mainstay"
Okay, what's outside of the event afterward?
- return of mangolor
This pretty much is within the event, it's largely composed of season mine sources.
- katamari on the rocks
An intentional meme medley, whose narrative flaws have already been pointed out: features Twerk, Gummibar, Fairy Tale Path, and Mercy; which don't have articles, and don't need articles. Same case for Mine Song, currently.
- smashup
Things that are only event hosts / minor characters can appear here too: Shovelware Knight, Elvira, Girelle, 2B, Barbie, Silvia. This only works in favor of Stingy, the song just supplements him as a character.
- new donk city
uploaded during an unrelated event. it's starting to get somewhere.
- easter eggs
uploaded during an unrelated event. it's starting to get somewhere.
- zoo boo
uploaded during an unrelated event. it's starting to get somewhere. (but wouldn't go in the category at this point because Of Vs Featuring).
- banner (katamari day) and artworks (st patrick, easter)
these are in favor of the character (more on this below), but still, only getting somewhere.
that's 3 real rips + some stingy character rep, by my count. 3 vs the 78 event rips featuring it. This ratio doesn't work, honestly.
a few days ago in the main channel, a screenshot of the mine song section on the LORTLAS was posted, sarcastically captioned ""but its not a meme though""
- We have a long list of Airhorn rips.
- We have a long list of Ground Theme rips.
- We have a long list of Jingle Bells rips.
Having a large rip count doesn't automatically make something a meme, especially if 90% of the dispersion is one event.
Are we just trying to catalog the song just so navigation is simpler? Automatically putting certain songs in categories once they reach a threshold as to de-uglify list navigation? Maybe, but that issue should be handled at large rather than within this thread.
"but you said theres nothing to write!" yeah, for the song. The song doesn't have a personality, but Stingy does. He is the one thing we can actually describe and split off into some valuable format, he's the character that took over. Takeover host articles are usually redundant to respective event articles, but Stingy was fleshed out well in the time he had.
- Had more relevant lore beyond being a profile picture, unlike most hosts. Yes, it would be a retread of the event article, but more focused on what he does directly.
- suquinho de junho, kfad2 beta mix doodle, katamari banner, st patrick's day, and easter all additionally feature the character, if a complete gallery is necessary.
"Why say it like that and also then why not do the same for Burnice if that's the case because that's what people used as a point because her recent appearances are also character related but clearly that doesn't make sense so why is this even a point" "burnice is still part of the event so it should also be an event meme by your standards"
Burnice is not a takeover host, and is not a character (outside of collages, which by going in the opposite direction means we'd need a page for Pastor Jim Colerick and Joe Bigman. silly), and is not the literal main event theme and advertising. Burning Desires was an aspect of the takeover that had a trend both prior and after (~10 out of it vs 34 inside of it). Also the Thick of It connection is something i guess. Would have liked to wait a bit for more rips, but I suppose the current ratio is good enough.
Burning Desires is an event meme with presence outside of it, sure...
wait a few days for this proposal to be over literally just get more normal rips like the last few. What number that needs to be is esoteric, strict ones don't matter. It should just have a point, a trend that doesn't rely on the event. On the levels of FEIN i guess. I don't see an issue with waiting until the end of June or something. We needn't rush.
I don't dislike this song. I don't dislike Stingy. I would greatly enjoy being proven wrong by the channel itself with whatever punchline this joke seems to be leading toward. Just, not prematurely through these weird meme discussion politics. As it stands it feels that the public is electing something before a worthwhile analysis can be written on it.
Futile or not, . Please just put this energy into a well rounded character article rather than a meme one. Patience.
Good write-up it probably wont make a difference in the end but i agree w all the points here
~~You’re right, circun
You’ve convinced me enough~~
the scope of meme discussion can include characters if we feel like it i guess (?), but there is no character article creation policy so i guess someone could also just make the stingy page right fucking now and you don't need to make it part of your vote
i mean yeah but it's not like someone conveniently has a character draft page for stingy lying around
I don't agree at all with your first point or 2nd point however I understand the rest, though my vote remains the same
i mean yeah but it's not like someone conveniently has a character draft page for stingy lying around
I understand all of the points listed here but I am keeping my vote the same for the time being.
I understand all of the points listed here but I am keeping my vote the same for the time being.
now that i think abt it my thoughts moreso align with the idea of "mine song should have a meme page AND stingy should have a character page"
read mick's point above
mainly because mine song has had some decent usage and stingy clearly is an established character and month(?)-long channel host, in my opinion
now that i think abt it my thoughts moreso align with the idea of "mine song should have a meme page AND stingy should have a character page"
i understand what mick is saying here but my opinion still stands, if it came down to it though having just the character page and category would be enough if there really isn't anything to say about the mine song which i think there is
about as much as there is to say about burning desires, its few appearances pre-season mine, how season mine re-introduced it as a full fledged channel meme and how it would continue to be used every once in a while for the rest of season 9
tbh. Yeah. I agree with Mick here. There is still basically no usage of the song itself, outside of the event. There's Stingy usage as a character, but that's for the character article.
Half of them I don't even recognize for using the server so I doubt they'll even come back
on the one hand yeah it should have more usage as a baseline absolutely - i do wish there was an excuse to upload more mine song rips onto the channel, but that's obviously a pipe dream - but on the other hand i do feel like the consistency of it being proposed like 4-ish times now (which i get is wiki politics and shouldn't factor but regardless it's a testament to it) and the usage of mine song even in it's minor amounts is very clearly associated w/stingy; having stingy without mine song feels like toasted cheese without cheese
on the one hand yeah it should have more usage as a baseline absolutely - i do wish there was an excuse to upload more mine song rips onto the channel, but that's obviously a pipe dream - but on the other hand i do feel like the consistency of it being proposed like 4-ish times now (which i get is wiki politics and shouldn't factor but regardless it's a testament to it) and the usage of mine song even in it's minor amounts is very clearly associated w/stingy; having stingy without mine song feels like toasted cheese without cheese
but yeah i completely get where you guys are coming from in your opinions. tbh it might just be heavy bias on my end but i'm not 100% sure
I was going to abstain due to the fact that it's been a while, but then I'm quite convinced on what is being said on https://discord.com/channels/787504555763826738/1365401235867303996/1366604124036272200. It's pretty disappointing that this thread could be made just because, and voted positive just because.
Also, I think that the push of Stingy feels... unnatural, yet I don't really see any natural usage of it on other tracks. It feels like it's just a post event, but there is less support for other submissions/contributors to do it. You could argue that becuase it would be in the backlog, but that would be an argument to hold this for later.
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